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---+++ Approved Minutes of Sep-28-2011 SV-CC Meeting.

---++ ATTENDEES
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xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx*xx Charles Dawson (Cadence)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*xx Chuck Berking (Cadence)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-xxxx*xx Francoise Martinolle (Cadence)
-----xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxxxx*xx Abigail Moorhouse (Mentor)
xxx--x-xxxxxx---x-x-x--x-xxxxxxxx*xx Michael Rohleder (Freescale)
xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*xx Bassam Tabbara (Synopsys)
xxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxx-xxxxxxx-xxx-x*-x Ghassan Khoory (Synopsys)
xxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx*x- Jim Vellenga (Cadence)
-xxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxx-x-xx-xxxxxxxx*-- Amit Kohli (Cadence)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxx----- George Scott (Mentor)
xx-xxxxxxx--------x----------------- Vitaly Yankelevich (Cadence)
xxxxxx-xx------xx------------------- Arnab Saha (Mentor)
xxxxxxxxx--------------------------- Arturo Salz (Synopsys)
--xx--------x-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-x--*xx Steve Dovich (Cadence)

-----x------------------------------ Rohit Jain (Mentor) 
---------------------------x--x-x*xx Ying-Tsai Chang (Springsoft)
--------------------x------------*-- Doug Warmke (Mentor)
------------------x----------------- Jay Lawrence (Cadence)
--------x--------------------------- Rob Slater (Freescale)
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---++ 1. Reviewed Patent information

- Chas reviewed the patent information which can be found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt
---++ 2. Approval of agenda

Jim/Francoise. ACCEPTED
---++ 3. Review [[SVCCMeetingMinutes110914][minutes]] from last meeting (Sep-14-2011)

Jim/George. ACCEPTED
---++ 4. Liaisons
   * Francoise reported that the BC and EC met for the last time this week. 
      * They passed a proposal for soft constraints which does not include VPI changes. She does not think it should be too hard. Mantis Item 2987.
      * Chas suggested that at the next meeting we go through all passed proposals looking for VPI impact.
   * No other meetings to report.
---++ 5. Consent Agenda
---++ 6. Expedited Agenda Items
---++ 7. New business
   * Item 1649 and 1653 
      * Jim reported that these were filed against 1800-2005 and were fixed in 1800-2009. These should be declared as 'No Change Required'.
      * Jim/Chuck. PASSED (unanimous)
   * Item 3087 
      * Vitaly's summary of remaining issues: 
         * Representation of open arrays using an abstract interface class 
            * Arnab and Vitaly both thought we were getting to consensus on this issue
         * Arnab's open issues 
            * Vitaly felt we converged on most of the issues
            * Jim thought that we would reach agreement on using pragmas for tailoring names to other languages (section 35) 
               * Arturo thought that it should be done with real syntax
               * Arturo missed much of the conversation on the reflector because of a syntax error
               * Arnab thought adding real syntax was getting too complicated
               * Vitaly pointed out that section 22 had several already standardized pragmas
               * 
      * Arturo has a number of issues in Annex H 
         * Memory management
         * Non-object orientated solution
         * pointer - handle equivalence is unclear
         * Extending objects across languages does not seem to work
         * Arturo agreed to send the issues to the reflector
      * Arturo noticed that all of the examples descibe export classes, need examples for import classes
      * Chas asked the committee if we wanted to ask P1800 for more time 
         * Francoise thought that we needed a list of issues so we could make a good estimate
         * Francoise thinks that if we are not close by the next P1800 committee meeting, it would not make sense to ask for extra time
      * Michael asked Arturo if he also had solutions for the issues 
         * He suggested we limit some of the things we are doing
         * If he understood what was intended, he might be able to make some proposals
      * Charles asked if Arturo had fundamental issues with the proposal 
         * No, he thinks it is a good idea, but there are still lots of holes to be covered
         * Consensus is possible
   * No other new business
---++ 8. Review SV-CC items with proposals:
   * Item 3192 
      * Francoise/Micheal. PASSED (unanimous)
   * Item 3737 
      * Francoise and Jim noticed an issue with the last sentence
      * Francoise suggested that we provide examples for each of them. Concerned that users would not be able to get the subtlety without examples.
      * Chuck will try again
   * Item 3772 
      * Jim/Francoise. PASSED (unanimous)
<pre>Motion to Adjourn. Chuck/Michael. Meeting ended at 1:30pm EST.</pre>
---++ 9. Review SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only):
---++ 10. Review old business:
---++ 11. Action items

<br />%ACTIONSEARCH{ state="(?!closed).*" topic="SVCCActionList" }% [[SVCCActionList][SV-CC Action Items List]]

---++ 12. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals):
---++ 13. Next meeting

The next SV-CC meeting will be on Oct-12-2011.

The next P1800 meeting will be on Oct-27-2011.

-- Main.ChasDawson - 2011-09-28
Topic revision: r2 - 2011-10-12 - 16:21:24 - ChasDawson
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