Approved Minutes of Sep-28-2011 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES

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xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx*xx Charles Dawson (Cadence)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*xx Chuck Berking (Cadence)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-xxxx*xx Francoise Martinolle (Cadence)
-----xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxxxx*xx Abigail Moorhouse (Mentor)
xxx--x-xxxxxx---x-x-x--x-xxxxxxxx*xx Michael Rohleder (Freescale)
xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*xx Bassam Tabbara (Synopsys)
xxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxx-xxxxxxx-xxx-x*-x Ghassan Khoory (Synopsys)
xxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx*x- Jim Vellenga (Cadence)
-xxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxx-x-xx-xxxxxxxx*-- Amit Kohli (Cadence)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxx----- George Scott (Mentor)
xx-xxxxxxx--------x----------------- Vitaly Yankelevich (Cadence)
xxxxxx-xx------xx------------------- Arnab Saha (Mentor)
xxxxxxxxx--------------------------- Arturo Salz (Synopsys)
--xx--------x-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-x--*xx Steve Dovich (Cadence)

-----x------------------------------ Rohit Jain (Mentor) 
---------------------------x--x-x*xx Ying-Tsai Chang (Springsoft)
--------------------x------------*-- Doug Warmke (Mentor)
------------------x----------------- Jay Lawrence (Cadence)
--------x--------------------------- Rob Slater (Freescale)

1. Reviewed Patent information

- Chas reviewed the patent information which can be found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

2. Approval of agenda

Jim/Francoise. ACCEPTED

3. Review minutes from last meeting (Sep-14-2011)

Jim/George. ACCEPTED

4. Liaisons

• Francoise reported that the BC and EC met for the last time this week.
  • They passed a proposal for soft constraints which does not include VPI changes. She does not think it should be too hard. Mantis Item 2987.
  • Chas suggested that at the next meeting we go through all passed proposals looking for VPI impact.
• No other meetings to report.

5. Consent Agenda

6. Expedited Agenda Items

7. New business

• Item 1649 and 1653
  • Jim reported that these were filed against 1800-2005 and were fixed in 1800-2009. These should be declared as 'No Change Required'.
  • Jim/Chuck. PASSED (unanimous)
• Item 3087
  • Vitaly's summary of remaining issues:
    • Representation of open arrays using an abstract interface class
      • Arnab and Vitaly both thought we were getting to consensus on this issue
    • Arnab's open issues
      • Vitaly felt we converged on most of the issues
      • Jim thought that we would reach agreement on using pragmas for tailoring names to other languages (section 35)
        • Arturo thought that it should be done with real syntax
        • Arturo missed much of the conversation on the reflector because of a syntax error
        • Arnab thought adding real syntax was getting too complicated
        • Vitaly pointed out that section 22 had several already standardized pragmas
  • Arturo has a number of issues in Annex H
    • Memory management
    • Non-object orientated solution
    • pointer - handle equivalence is unclear
    • Extending objects across languages does not seem to work
    • Arturo agreed to send the issues to the reflector
  • Arturo noticed that all of the examples descibe export classes, need examples for import classes
  • Chas asked the committee if we wanted to ask P1800 for more time
    • Francoise thought that we needed a list of issues so we could make a good estimate
    • Francoise thinks that if we are not close by the next P1800 committee meeting, it would not make sense to ask for extra time
  • Michael asked Arturo if he also had solutions for the issues
    • He suggested we limit some of the things we are doing
    • If he understood what was intended, he might be able to make some proposals
  • Charles asked if Arturo had fundamental issues with the proposal
    • No, he thinks it is a good idea, but there are still lots of holes to be covered
    • Consensus is possible
• No other new business

8. Review SV-CC items with proposals:

• Item 3192
  • Francoise/Micheal. PASSED (unanimous)
• Item 3737
  • Francoise and Jim noticed an issue with the last sentence
  • Francoise suggested that we provide examples for each of them. Concerned that users would not be able to get the subtlety without examples.
  • Chuck will try again
• Item 3772
  • Jim/Francoise. PASSED (unanimous)

Motion to Adjourn. Chuck/Michael. Meeting ended at 1:30pm EST.

9. Review SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only):

10. Review old business:

11. Action items

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12. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals):

13. Next meeting

The next SV-CC meeting will be on Oct-12-2011.

The next P1800 meeting will be on Oct-27-2011.

-- ChasDawson - 2011-09-28