IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of March 18, 2013

Meeting Info

Conference Bridge and Live-Meeting


  • Attending
    • John Shields, (acting chair)Mentor DR
    • Ray Martin, Xilinx DR
    • Dave Graubart, Synopsys DR
    • Dave Clemans, Synopsys DRA
    • Joe Daniels, P1735 Technical Editor
    • Jeff Fox, Altera DR
    • Jarek Kaczynski, Aldec DR

  • Not Attending
    • Steven Dovich, (chair) Cadence DR
    • Michael Smith, Synopsys DRA
    • Krista Gluchoski, IEEE Professional Services
    • Parminder Gill, Synopsys DRA
    • Premduth Vidyanandan, Xilinx
    • Nick Sgoupis, CAST
    • Albert Chiang, Synopsys
    • Nitin Khurana, Cadence DRA
    • David Pena, Cadence
    • Bin Dai, Xilinx
    • Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence DRA
    • Syed Huq, Cisco
    • Meera Srinivasan, Synopsys
    • David Tran, Synopsys


  1. Determine Quorum
  2. Patent slides
  3. Approve agenda
  4. Approval of Meeting minutes from 02/04/2013
  5. Action Items Status
  6. Liaison Reports
  7. Inter-operability Issues
  8. License Management
  9. Key Management
  10. Rights Management
  11. Common Rights and Visibility
  12. Work Plan
  13. Other Business
  14. Adjourn



We have 4/6 eligible entities, and have a working quorum. It was decided by the acting chair that Jarek has voting rights as of this meeting.

Patent Policy

The Patent slides were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.

Agenda Approval

Motion by Dave G, seconded by Ray. Motion is approved.

Previous Minutes

Dave G moved and Ray seconded the approval of the March 4, 2013 minutes. The motion was approved.

Action Item Review

John reviewed the open action items and there were no changes.

Liaison Reports

Joe believed that D3 had been released by Steve to P1800, 1801, 1076, 1076-AMS, but could not be certain without confirmation from Steve.

Jarek noted that P1076 members have not been given D3 by him, because he was not certain that he could do so.

The group discussed the need to fix this and provide guidance to the WGs to take action on the review. Under advisement from Joe, Jarek moved that liasons take D3 to the WG immediately and request a review be completed by mid-April at the latest. Dave G seconded and the motion was approved.

No DASC activity.


Jarek intends to review reflector discussion on encoding and provide feedback at a future meeting.

License Management

There is some feedback outstanding that is still under review. The chair requested all to declare whether they have any pending feedback in this area. Jeff has feedback pending in this area and intends to provide it this week.

Key Management

No discussion and no known actions pending.

Rights Management

There is some feedback from John outstanding that is still under review. Dave G requested all to declare whether they have any pending feedback in this area. Jeff also has feedback pending in this area and intends to provide it this week.

Common Rights and Visibility

There has been no detailed feedback on Clause 9 and 10, but general feedback has been positive. This area implies real work for tool vendor compliance and it is very important that liason feedback be obtained. The group discussed the possible approval of material immediately so that Joe could produce a draft of it for review by the liasons as soon as possible. Joe suggested an addendum(D3a) rather than incorporation into D4.

In the discussion of the material, Jeff noted that Altera generally does this already and expected it would be in the interest of IP authors. Ray noted that he was in favor and argued that the structure of the rights allows any tool vendor to make a specific override of a common rights so this should cause substantive objections. Jeff agreed. John noted that was a very intentional mechanism. Dave G had similar comments about the reasonableness of the material.

There was a motion by Dave G for WG to approve the material for Clause 9 and 10 and authorize Joe to produce and release an addendum for liason review. Ray seconded. The motion was approved by acclamation. Joe intends to have D3a ready by Wednesday of this week for review.

Work Plan

There is no feedback on a new review model using a shared cloud copy of the pdf. We do not expect to change the review model of marked up pdf documents using sticky notes in pdf or feedback in separate text such as email. Dave G reiterated the issue that the drafts are private yet we are considering posting draft markups on the reflector. The decision is to send feedback to the entity members and copy to Joe directly, but not post to the reflector. John will summarize in a note on the reflector.

We all generally agree that we should add v1 to draft 4 and this does not need to delay D3 or Clause 9 and 10 addendum review.This will make v1 finally a part of an approved IEEE document.

Dave G, moved and Ray seconded a motion to approve D3 draft for liaison review by P1800, P1801, P1076, P1076.1, and other working groups with a potential interest in the draft. John and Jeff abstained, the motion passed.

Jeff suggested using a shared cloud copy of the PDF so we could easily see comments from other reviewers. Steven agreed to look into the possibility and will send out revised reviewer instructions if that can be accomplished within the policy constraints of IEEE.

Joe asked that intent to refresh any of the clauses be disclosed by Thursday, March 14, 2013, so that he could plan the work to get those clauses updated quickly after the meeting on March 18, 2013.

High-level objectives:

  • Complete all approval activity in 2013 before PAR expires (2013)
  • Secure pre-ballot feedback from other DASC working groups

Project Plan:

  • Distribute D3 draft for liaison review in mid-February
    • Revised content for D3 must be submitted to Joe by 11-Feb-2013
    • D3 to be distributed to liaison groups by 20-Feb-2013
    • Any material that is still unstable should be tagged with an inline note to the liaison reviewers
    • Noted material should be revised for mid-review update as D3a by 25-Feb-2013 (delivery to Joe)
    • Any updated D3a clauses will be supplied to liaison reviewers by 01-Mar-2013
    • Liaison review period to close by 12-Apr-2013

  • Incorporate review comments into D4 draft for working group review
    • Changes for D4 must be submitted by 15-Apr-2013 (delivery to Joe)
    • Working group review closes 29-Apr-2013 with a decision to approve D4 as the ballot draft or revise further as D5.

  • Balloting and review
    • This schedule needs to be updated, pending the depth of the liaison review comments
    • If D4 is approved as ballot draft, and ballot period starts 01-May-2013, we have a slim chance at making the August REVCOM agenda
    • Ballot group formation to close before 15-Apr-2013 in preparation for possible D4 ballot.
    • Assumptions:
      • Submission deadline for August REVCOM is 12-Jul-2013
      • Need approval of D4 as ballot draft and no substantive ballot comments that require recirc
      • 30-day ballot period requires a minimum of 45 days from working group approval of ballot draft
      • 10-day recirc period requires a minimum of 15 days from ballot comment disposition
      • Ballot comment dispositioning and incorporating draft updates accepted by the working group will add to the timeline
      • Current technical editing statement of work (contract and budget) will still be valid if D5 is completed and approved for ballot in May.
      • Failure to complete balloting/recirc by September will risk missing the December REVCOM agenda and force another PAR extension.

Task Requirements/White Paper Writer-ready Specification
Use Model 02-Jul-2008 ???
Trust Model ??? ???
Interoperability 24-Aug-2009 26-Jan-2010
License Management 19-Apr-2011 ???
Visibility Management 23-Jul-2010 ???
Key Management 18-Oct-2010 12-Aug-2011
Rights Control Structures 27-Jun-2011 ???
Common Rights 23-Jul-2011 ???

Other Business

Next Meeting

The next P1735 meeting is scheduled for April 1, 2013 at 16:00UTC.

Tentative Agenda

  1. Determine Quorum
  2. Patent slides
  3. Approve agenda
  4. Approval of Meeting minutes from 03/04/2013
  5. Action Items Status
  6. Liaison Reports
  7. Meeting Schedule
  8. Inter-operability Issues
  9. License Management
  10. Key Management
  11. Rights Management
  12. Common Rights and Visibility
  13. Work Plan
  14. Other Business
  15. Adjourn


Motion by Ray, second by Dave G. Approved by acclamation at 9:15PDT (17:15UTC).


These minutes are unapproved.

-- JohnShields - 2013-03-18

Topic revision: r3 - 2013-04-01 - 15:07:01 - StevenDovich
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