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== -instance how are ports identified?

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== UPF1.0 set_level_shifter command -threshold specification

= Rolf asks:

A question has come up on UPF1.0 set_level_shifter command interpretation.

“The -threshold specification defines how large the voltage difference between the driver and sink needs to be before level shifters are inserted. Normally, this threshold is determined from the cell libraries; use this option to override the library values.”

Should the above be interpreted as:

1) Insert when |Vi-Vo| >= threshold

OR

2) Insert when |Vi-Vo| > threshold

= Jim answers:

    The correct interpretation is unambiguously 2).

 

     Justification for this conclusion from UPF 1.0 includes:

 

     A.  page 51,  “The voltage threshold (in volts) for determining when level-shifters

     are required.  The default is 0.”  is consistent only with alternative 2).  If the

     interpretation was as 1), then by default level shifters would be inserted

     for connections between domains operating at the same voltage, which

     would be incorrect, inefficient, and unacceptable to nearly everyone.

 

     B. page 51, “ . . .  get a level-shifter if the voltage difference exceeds that

     specified by –threshold”  is repeated twice.  The word exceeds is semantically

     equivalent to the strict inequality and compels the interpretation in 2) to be

     applied.

 

     C. I see no language in the UPF 1.0 standard that suggests a semantic

     interpretation of less-than-or-equal for the set_level_shifter –threshold value.

 

 

 

     There are also many places in IEEE 1801-2009 that corroborate this point,

     including:

 

     D. page 96, “The voltage threshold (in volts) for determining when level-shifters

     are required.  The default is 0.”  is consistent only with alternative 2) as explained above.

 

     E. page 98, in the pseudo code, “ . . .  if (T_value <   max ( . . . ) “

     is unambiguously a strict inequality, so only alternative 2) is appropriate.

 

     F. page 98, the expressions for threshold list values are all strict

     inequalities, so only alternative 2) is appropriate.

 

     G. page 98, “ . . .  get a level-shifter if the voltage difference exceeds that

     specified by –threshold”  is repeated twice.  The word exceeds is semantically

     equivalent to the strict inequality and compels the interpretation in 2) to be

     applied.

 

     H. I see no language in the IEEE 1801-2009 standard that suggests a semantic

     interpretation of less-than-or-equal for the set_level_shifter –threshold value.

-- GaryDelp - 24 Apr 2009

Topic revision: r2 - 2009-04-24 - 20:45:48 - GaryDelp
 
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