Minutes of 08/13/2008 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES

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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga
xx*xx-xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking
-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
xx-xxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse
xxxx-x-xxxxxxxxxx--------------------------------- John Shields
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---xxxx-xx-x-xxx--x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora
--x---xx--x--------------------------------------- Erik Seligman
-------xx-xxxx-xxx-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich
-----------x-xxx-xx-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli
----------------xx-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan
--------------x--xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
-------------------x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal
---------------------x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir
----------x-----------------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland
--------------------------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil
--x--------------------x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik
--------------------x----------------------------- John Havlicek

1. Reviewed Patent information

- Chas reviewed the patent information which can be found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

2. Approval of agenda

3. Reviewed minutes for 07/30/2008

Jim actually meant next draft (post 2009 version) for Item 2449 which was not clear in the minutes.

Chuck on Item 2447 Added enums to various places 'to the approved packed arrays proposal (Item 1230).'

Jim/Chuck. ACCEPTED

4. Liaisons

  - Francoise reported on a Champions meeting from earlier in the week.  The most active committee is
    still the SV-SC.  They resolved some of the issues in 1900, 2414, ...etc found by the Champions.  There
    is another Champions meeting next week.

  - No other meetings to report on.

5. Consent Agenda

6. Expedited Agenda Items

7. New business

• Review comments from Champions meeting

      - Item 0742 - Review Champions friendly amendments and update proposal
The Champions found at least 4 places where it was unclear what kind of parameter
we were talking about.  Jim meant 'parameter' to mean a value parameter, and always
used 'type parameter' when referring to a type parameter.  Abi asked if the language
was clear on this:  do they always use 'value parameter' where they used to have
'parameter' unless they mean both?  Not sure, but probably not.  Chuck moves to
accept the changes as passed by the Champtions.  Jim seconds.  PASSED (unanimous)
Jim to update proposal.

      - Item 2226 - Clarify the proposal if necessary due to frame document

John was not thrilled about the issues, but was willing to do it.  He would need until
the end of the month to update the proposal.  We would also likely need to go about
doing another review cycle.  John will make a proposal to them on how to go about
showing the proposal, and once they agree with it, he will need two weeks to actually
implement it.  The SV-CC may need some time to review the revised proposal.   The
intent is to make an entirely editorial revision.  Any content change will be due to
an error on the implementor's part.  However, we should consider this a likely scenario.
Chas thinks we should advise the editor to not implement other proposals in these 
sections until after receiving the revised proposal.  John thinks that will not be likely to
happen if there is agreement on the process ahead of time.  John will reply to Stu and
Shalom, explaining to them what he would like them to agree to.  Chas will ask Stu to 
send framemaker docs to John ASAP.  Chas will bring it up at tomorrow's P1800 meeting.  

- Jim asked if we had fixed the permissions problem.

- Chuck mentioned that Item 2182 has been tabled to post 2009 ballot. Is this still the case?

Abi reported that they are still working on the Checkers proposals.  We should continue
to work on it until noted otherwise, even if it doesn't end up in this LRM.  Chuck thinks we
should bring the subject up again at the next meeting.  Can we differentiate between an
instance and the definition of the checker?  That was a sticking point the last time we talked.

Motion to adjourn: Chuck/Abi . Meeting ended at 12:52pm.

8. Reviewed items with proposals

9. Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only)

10. Old Business

11. Action items

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12. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals)

13. Next meeting

The next SV-CC meeting will be on 08/27/2008.

The next P1800 meeting will be on 08/14/2008.

-- ChasDawson - 13 Aug 2008