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Minutes of 07/30/2008 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES

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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga
x*xx-xxx-xxxx-xxx-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
x-xxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse
xxx-x-xxxxxxxxxx--------------------------------- John Shields
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--xxxx-xx-x-xxx--x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora
-x---xx--x--------------------------------------- Erik Seligman
------xx-xxxx-xxx-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich
----------x-xxx-xx-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli
---------------xx-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan
-------------x--xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
------------------x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal
--------------------x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir
---------x-----------------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland
-------------------------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil
-x--------------------x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik
-------------------x----------------------------- John Havlicek

1. Reviewed Patent information

- Chas reviewed the patent information which can be found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

2. Approval of agenda

Chuck/Bassam APPROVED

3. Reviewed minutes for 06/04/2008

Jim requested that Chas continue to send out an email version of the minutes. Chas to investigate. Jim/Chuck. ACCEPTED

4. Liaisons

  - Abi reported that there was a SV-SC meeting yesterday.  They have reached consensus on
    most items.  They have decided to postpone VPI for Checkers (Item 2182).  There were some
    people with serious reservations on many of the SV-SC Items still, but not sure if there is
    enough to keep it out of the standard.  Steve is nervous about it being pushed thru at the
    last minute.  Gord is also concerned but thinks that most of the serious problems have been
    worked out.  
  - No other meetings to report on.

5. Consent Agenda

6. Expedited Agenda Items

7. New business

• New SV-CC website

  Chas reported that there is a permissions problem that will be fixed shortly.  Then
  everyone should be able to modify their own action items and the agenda.

• JEITA issue

  John reported that he contacted the JEITA folks and that it seems like it is not
  a major issue for them.  John thinks we should go with the simple proposal which
  Jim has made.  Motion to accept Item 1835.  Chuck/John.  PASSED (unanimous)

• Shalom's question on assertion properties

  We talked about this a long time ago.  Abi and Chas remembers.  Not having them
  in the include file is definitely a problem.  We should either remove them from the
  diagram or add them to the include file.  Too late to solve this.  Abi to write a proposal
  to address the issue.  Proposal should specify if they are zero based or one based.
  The line numbers are one based.  Column properties should be one based.  For the
  last one, need to specify if it is the last one in or the first one out.  

• Reviewing Draft 6 Items

  Chas asked that everyone review their changes in this draft and make sure that they
  were implemented correctly.  

• Abi's issues with Item 2226

  Abi moves that we accept the draft 6 version of the proposal.  John to make sure that the
  proposal is relative to draft 6 of LRM.  John seconds.  PASSED (unanimous).  John to remove
  previous versions from Mantis.  

• VPI changes needed due to Item 2374

  Chuck put together a proposal for Item 2447.  Will discuss when we get there.

• DPI issue with Item 2099

  Not sure what to do.  VPI allows the application to tell the interface what version it was 
  written against.  Should we include a new version string "P1800-2009".  Jim thinks we
  should not make a change at this time.  Francoise to try to get the opinions of Doug
  Ralph, and Amit.

• Mark Item 0529 as a duplicate of Item 0528

  Jim/Chuck.  PASSED (unanimous)

• SV-CC members list in standard

  How is the list of members chosen?  Good question.  What criteria?  Number of meetings
  attended, having voting rights?  Chas to ask the editor and P1800.  Should make sure
  that Michael (and a few others) are working for Freescale, not Motorola. 

• VPI and Let, Item 2414 (also 1728 and 1503)

  The diagram in 1503 for let (36.76) is clearly wrong.  Abi's solution was to remove this
  not from the proposal in 2414.  Bassam tried to explain the spirit of the note.  Jim thinks
  we can safely get away with leaving the note out.  Seq Formal Decl is not like anything
  else we have seen:  More than a macro but less than a port.  Question came up as to
  whether a let is an expression.  Abi kind of thought it was so drew it that way.  Item 1503
  defines vpiSeqFormalDecl.  Bassam thinks that 2414 should not add vpiSeqFormalDecl.
  Jim thinks we should not have "seq formal decl" be bold in 36.50 in this proposal.  Jim
  points out that we renamed vpiIdentifier to be vpiSeqFormalDecl.  Friendly amendment
  to strike the vpiSeqFormalDecl from the end of the proposal and to unbold the
  "seq formal decl" from 36.50.  Abi points out that Bassam should make sure these are
  done correctly in 1503.  JimV/Bassam moves to accept 2414 as amended.  PASSED (unanimous)

• MEC & Legal Review for P1800_D6

  Chas reviewed and thinks the changes are fine.  Sent on to rest of committee.  Any 
  issues please let Chas know.

• Item 0742

  Discussed if param assign should be in a scope or explicitly list the possible places on 
  the LHS of the diagram on page 8.  Jim/Chuck.  PASSED (unanimous)  Jim to delete previous
  version and add frame file.

• Item 2447

  Added enum nets to various places.  Michael/Abi.  PASSED (unanimous)
  Jim moves that we waive the requirement that we need to wait an additional meeting to pass
  something.  Michael seconds. Abi abstains because it is a dangerous precedent.  ACCEPTED 

• Item 2449

  Jim moves that we table it till next time.  Abi seconds.  ACCEPTED.

Motion to adjourn: Jim/Abi. Meeting ended at 1:30pm.

8. Reviewed items with proposals

9. Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only)

10. Old Business

11. Action items

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12. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals)

13. Next meeting

The next SV-CC meeting will be on 08/13/2008.

The next P1800 meeting will be on 08/14/2008.

-- ChasDawson - 30 Jul 2008