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---++ IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of March 3, 2014
---+++ Meeting Info

[[P1735MeetingInfo][Conference Information]]

---+++ Participants

   * Attending 
      * Dave Graubart, Synopsys _DR_ (Chair)
      * Jonathan Goldberg, IEEE Professional Services
      * Ray Martin, Xilinx _DR_
      * John Shields, Mentor _DR_
      * Dave Clemans, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Joe Daniels, P1735 Technical Editor
      * Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence _DRA_
      * Jeff Fox, Altera _DR_
      * Steven Dovich, P1076 liaison
      * Michael Smith, Synopsys _DRA_
   * Not Attending 
      * Gael Paul, PLDA
      * Satyam Jani, Aldec _DR_
      * Sourabh Tandon, Synopsys
      * Joe Hupcey, Jasper
      * Nitin Khurana, Cadence _DR_
      * Krista Gluchoski, IEEE Professional Services
      * Dmitry Melnick, Aldec _DRA_
      * Stan Krolikoski, Cadence (DASC Chair)
      * Devin Sundaram, Altera DRA
      * Parminder Gill, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Premduth Vidyanandan, Xilinx
      * David Pena, Cadence
      * Bin Dai, Xilinx
---+++ Agenda

   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Introduce any guests
   1 Action Item Review
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 MEC and ballot pool status
   1 Schedule
   1 General Status
   1 Front matter
   1 Interoperability
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 License Management and Reference Implementation
   1 Visibility
   1 Common Rights
   1 Annxes
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---+++ Minutes
---++++ Attendance/Quorum

We have 5/6 eligible entities, and do have a working quorum.
---++++ Patent Policy

The [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]] were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.
---++++ Agenda Approval

Motion to approve agenda made by Jeff, seconded John. Motion is approved.
---++++ Previous Minutes

Ray moved and John seconded the approval of the [[P1735Minutes2014Feb24][February 24, 2014]] minutes. The motion was approved.
---++++ Guests

Dave G will follow-up with Joe Hupcey from Jasper on a future meeting for him to attend again. Dave will notify the working group in advance so others who may want to interact with Joe can be present.

Do we have a current draft suitable for sharing with Gael Paul per motion passed last week. Dave planning to send draft 4 with comments at end of this week.
---++++ Action Item Review

No updates today.
---++++ Liaison Reports

No updates today.
---++++ MEC and Ballot Pool Status

MEC comment status:

Synopsys copyright letter is in progress. Only question is best addressee and this has been posed to IEEE. Jonathan will advise today if better to address to Dave G or to IEEE.

Other comments and status from Joe - his actions have been addressed. Some items are pending from Steve.

Ballot Pool status:

Pool closed last night with 558 invitations and 5 responses. Pool is unbalanced.

Accellera as Standards Developing Organization

Cadence as Systems/Manufacturer

Mentor as Producer - Software

Synopsys as Producer - Component

Xilinx as Producer - Component

Dave will contact Aldec and make recommendations to Altera and others on if category should change to achieve balance.

Dave G will reopen ballot pool for 3 more weeks. Dave G will contact Atrenta per recommendation from Joan Woolery to see if interested. Dave G will contact Boeing as they participated in the past. Stan sent a letter to DASC asking if any are interested. Stan and Dave each asked Dennis if a similar note can be sent to Accellera members. No response yet.
---++++ Schedule

Dave G showed the previous schedule.
<table style="width: 424px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <colgroup span="1"><col width="201" span="1"></col><col width="73" span="1"></col><col width="75" span="2"></col></colgroup> <tbody> <tr height="20"> <td width="201" height="20">Item</td> <td width="73">Duration</td> <td width="75">Start</td> <td width="75">End</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">MEC review & ballot formation</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">1/30/2014</td> <td align="right">3/1/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Finish Draft 5 preparation</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">3/1/2014</td> <td align="right">3/15/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 5 PDF creation</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">3/15/2014</td> <td align="right">3/22/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Ballot</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">3/22/2014</td> <td align="right">5/6/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Review comments/rework</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">5/6/2014</td> <td align="right">6/5/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Recirculation ballot</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">6/5/2014</td> <td align="right">7/5/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Submit for revcom</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">7/5/2014</td> <td align="right">8/19/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20"> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Revcom opportunities</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">8/20/2014</td> <td>Best target</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">12/9/2014</td> <td>Backup</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Given draft 4 feedback and small ballot pool, Dave G suggests adding 4 weeks to schedule. This is the new plan of record although additional feedback timing and content may cause further revision to schedule. This would mean hitting August revcom becomes less likely. On the other hand, if no new entities join the ballot group, there may be little or no need for recirculation time.
---++++ General Status

We need to have all substantial feedback by end of next week. We need to review ownership for each clause and confirm remaining work can be completed in March.

General feedback so far ranges from surgical update requests to structure. Also not all WG entities have submitted reviews. Xilinx and Mentor have posted marked-up versions. Michael from Synopsys has also commented. Jeff/Altera will post review this week. Cadence will post comments by tomorrow. No comments expected from Aldec. Dave G will post more from Synopsys this week.

In several clauses, marking content as version 1 vs. version 2 is not complete.

In several clauses, need examples and strategies.
---++++ Front Matter Status

Clause 4 (Trust Model) may need a rewrite. Steve has limited time. John is willing to after he closes on his two existing cluases and one annex. Time frame depends on receiving feedback on other material and a motion to be made. Joe said working in Word is OK.
---++++ Interoperability Status

No discussion this week.
---++++ Key Management Status

This clause may need a rewrite. Steve could address cosmetic issues but not structural. John's assessment is that work is more structural. Ruchi will work within Cadence and take this on. Steve can assist.
---++++ Rights Management Status

Formal syntax is needed. Need to resolve if rights are in separate block or in modified key block. Dave G will send comments on rights "block" options by tomorrow.
---++++ License Management Status

Formal syntax is needed.

Steve mentioned in 8.5.2 that overlap with other standards: hostname, MAC address, user login, domain. Need cross references to POSIX and will post comments and send email with questions.

Reference implementation will get an update as padding scheme other than the recommended one was used.
---++++ Visibility Status

DPI, VPI, and CLI recommendations are published. Next need to get consensus and then material needs to be integrated into the clause. John notes that his recommendations conflict with 1800 VPI, but may not be important or changing the status quo. John made a motion to accept his recommendations. Dave C seconded. Steve read through John's analysis and doesn't expect conflicts to be an issue and may align with existing practice. Michael noted that it seems reasonable. As some have not looked at this yet, we will leave voting open for one week. WG DRs should send their vote to Dave G by March 10. Dave G will post motion to the reflector and call for email ballot.
---++++ Common Rights Status

No discussion this week. John waiting for more feedback. Just minor work to do so far.
---++++ Annex Status

John working on visibility, annex C. Might be annex D releated to key management work - Cadence will evaluate John's comments.
---+++++ High-level objectives:
   * Go to ballot with delayed draft 5
   * Get on agenda for August revcom ratification if possible, else December
---+++++ Project Plan:
   * Draft 5 
      * Incorporate MEC review comments
      * Incorporate or rewrite areas of concern from draft 4 feedback
      * Incorporate examples
---++++ Other Business

Dave G to update web site including fixing some file permissions.
---+++ Next Meeting

The next [[P1735MeetingInfo][P1735 meeting]] is scheduled for March 17, 2014 at 16:00UTC.

*Tentative Agenda*
   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Introduce any guests
   1 Action Item Review
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 MEC and ballot pool status
   1 Schedule
   1 General Status
   1 Front matter
   1 Interoperability
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 License Management and Reference Implementation
   1 Visibility
   1 Common Rights
   1 Annxes
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---++++ Adjournment

Motion by Jeff, second by Ray. Approved by acclamation at 17:06 UTC
---+++ Approval

These minutes are approved.

-- Main.DaveGraubart - 2014-03-02
Topic revision: r6 - 2014-03-17 - 15:06:53 - DaveGraubart
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