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---++ IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of April 28, 2014
---+++ Meeting Info

[[P1735MeetingInfo][Conference Information]]

---+++ Participants

   * Attending 
      * Dave Graubart, Synopsys _DR_ (Chair)
      * Rod Price, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Ray Martin, Xilinx _DR_
      * Dave Clemans, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Adam Sherer, Cadence _DR_
      * Steven Dovich, P1076 liaison
      * Luis Humberto, Jasper _DRA_
      * Michael Smith, Synopsys _DRA_
      * John Shields, Mentor _DR_
   * Not Attending 
      * Jonathan Goldberg, IEEE Professional Services
      * Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence _DRA_
      * Satyam Jani, Aldec _DR_
      * Gael Paul, PLDA
      * Joe Hupcey, Jasper _DR_
      * Sridhar Gangadharan, Atrenta _DR_
      * Joe Daniels, P1735 Technical Editor
      * Jeff Fox, Altera _DR_
      * Sourabh Tandon, Synopsys
      * Nitin Khurana, Cadence _DR_
      * Krista Gluchoski, IEEE Professional Services
      * Dmitry Melnick, Aldec _DRA_
      * Stan Krolikoski, Cadence (DASC Chair)
      * Parminder Gill, Synopsys _DRA_
---+++ Agenda

   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Guests and new members
   1 Action Item Review
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Ballot status
   1 Schedule
   1 General Status
   1 Individual Clause Status
   1 High-level Objectives
   1 Project Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---+++ Minutes
---++++ Attendance/Quorum

We have 4/6 eligible entities, and have a working quorum. The total number of entities dropped to 6 as Jasper has withdrawn from the IEEE-SA.
---++++ Patent Policy

The [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]] were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.
---++++ Agenda Approval

Motion to approve agenda made by John, seconded Adam. Motion is approved.
---++++ Previous Minutes

Ray moved and Adam seconded the approval of the [[P1735Minutes2014Apr14][April 14, 2014]] minutes. The motion was approved.
---++++ Guests and New Members
---++++ Action Item Review

No updates today. Dave G will review all remaining items with Steve this week.
---++++ Liaison Reports

No updates today. 1076 will have a meeting later this week, recovering from a database loss. Steve is waiting for 1735 D5 to look at reconcilliation with 1076.

Dave G continues to ask Accellera if they can appoint Gael Paul in some role so his participation in the WG can continue.
---++++ Ballot Status

Most or all MEC review items were addressed. Dave G and Steve will review all comments this week.

Ballot Pool status:

Closed on March 23 with 9 participants but Jasper is now removed leaving 8 and an unbalanced pool.

Dave G verified with Jonathan that there is no issue with a slip in the ballot start date. It can be as late as six months after the ballot pool closes.
---++++ Schedule

Dave G showed an updated schedule accounting for revised completion and review dates. This shows a one wek slip from the schedule shown in the previous meeting. This leave a bit over five weeks slack to hit the December revcom agenda.
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <colgroup span="1"><col width="201" span="1"></col><col width="73" span="1"></col><col width="75" span="2"></col></colgroup> <tbody> <tr height="20"> <td width="201" height="20">Item</td> <td width="73">Duration</td> <td width="75">Start</td> <td width="75">End</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">MEC review & ballot formation</td> <td align="right">52</td> <td align="right">1/30/2014</td> <td align="right">3/23/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Finish Draft 5 preparation</td> <td align="right">57</td> <td align="right">3/23/2014</td> <td align="right">5/19/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Draft 5 PDF creation</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">5/19/2014</td> <td align="right">6/02/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Ballot</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">6/02/2014</td> <td align="right">7/17/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Review comments/rework</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">7/17/2014</td> <td align="right">8/16/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Recirculation ballot</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">8/16/2014</td> <td align="right">9/15/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Submit for revcom</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">9/15/2014</td> <td align="right">10/30/2014</td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20"> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td height="20">Revcom opportunities</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr height="20"> <td align="right" height="20">12/9/2014</td> <td>Important!</td> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
---++++ General Status

Review, feedback, and updates for draft 5 are ongoing.
---++++ Individual Clause Status
---+++++ Clause 1 - Overview

Adam will be looking at writing an overview and updating clause 1. Gael sent him some suggestions. Dave G sent a copy of John's slides from the DAC 2013 Birds of a Feather session. Adam will post something this week.
---+++++ Clause 2 - Normative References

Dave G knows of no further changes needed.
---+++++ Clause 3 - Definitions, acronyms, abbreviations

Dave G posted a new glossary on March 11 and knows of no further changes needed.
---+++++ Clause 4 - Trust model

John rewrote the trust model clause, posted in on April 2. John will make minor revision.
---+++++ Clause 5 - Interoperability

Gael had a few comments. Dave G asked if full envelope definitions and/or examples would be helpful. Ray will report on status before next meeting.

Regarding envelope examples, John expressed concern that including full envelope desciptions and examples could bring in too much content and could jepardize the schedule. Steve agrees this would add too much schedule risk. Steve suggested that adding examples only with references to other standards could be a good compromise. Dave G volunteered to supply examples. John said even this may add to schedule risk. Other possibilities include adding more references to other standards and posting examples to the Accellera forum, being careful to position these as one company's interpretation rather than an official IEEE posting. It may be best to describe Accellera postings as test cases for validation.
---+++++ Clause 6 - Key Management

Ruchi has been working on updates. Steve exchanged email on proposed updates from Ruchi and is working with her to complete this. Steve expects it will take a few more days to finish this.
---+++++ Clause 7 - Rights Management

Dave G posted an update on April 25. This contained quite a bit of refinement plus movement of tool-block digest to the end tool-block pragma.
---+++++ Clause 8 - License Management

Dave G posted an update on April 11 and knows of no further changes needed.

The reference implementation on the Accellera Forum needs another update to reflect the new rights block structure.
---+++++ Clause 9 - Visibility

John posted an update on April 17. Additional Synopsys feedback was sent April 25. John will make minor updates.
---+++++ Clause 10 - Common Rights

John expects to post an update by 5/12. There is some uncertainty based on his travel obligations.
---+++++ Annex A - Bibliography

Dave G knows of no further changes needed.
---+++++ Annex B - Required algorithms and interoperability

Dave G knows of no further changes needed.
---+++++ Annex C - Other known issues with IP protection (informative, not normative)

John is working on visibility for annex C. John expects to post an update by 5/12. There is some uncertainty based on his travel obligations.

There may or may not be a need for key management discussion in this annex. We will revisit this after the key management update is completed.
---++++ Work Plan
---+++++ High-level objectives
   * Go to ballot with delayed draft 5
   * Get on agenda for December revcom ratification.
---+++++ Project Plan
   * Draft 5 
      * Insure we have addressed MEC review comments
      * Close all action items
      * Complete updates to all content to hand off to Joe per the above schedule
---++++ Other Business

Dave G to update web site including fixing some file permissions - low priority.

Dave G owes Joe D original art for figures.
---+++ Next Meeting

The next [[P1735MeetingInfo][P1735 meeting]] is scheduled for May 12, 2014 at 16:00UTC.

*Tentative Agenda*
   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
   1 Guest and new members
   1 Action Item Review
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Ballot status
   1 Schedule
   1 General Status
   1 Individual Clause Status
   1 High-level Objectives
   1 Project Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn
---++++ Adjournment

Motion by John, second by Adam. Approved by acclamation at 16:41 UTC
---+++ Approval

These minutes are approved.

-- Main.DaveGraubart - 2014-04-25
Topic revision: r5 - 2014-05-12 - 15:05:03 - DaveGraubart
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