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---++ IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of August 8, 2011

---+++ Meeting Info

[[P1735MeetingInfo][Conference Bridge and Live-Meeting]]

---+++ Participants

   * Attending 
      * Steven Dovich, Cadence _DR_
      * Jarek Kaczynski, Aldec _DR_
      * Dave Graubart, Synopsys _DR_
      * Michael Smith, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Ray Martin, Xilinx _DR_
      * John Shields, Mentor _DR_
      * Dave Clemans, Synopsys _DRA_

   * Not Attending
      * Parminder Gill, Synopsys _DRA_
      * Premduth Vidyanandan, Xilinx
      * Nick Sgoupis, CAST
      * Albert Chiang, Synopsys
      * Nitin Khurana, Cadence _DRA_
      * David Pena, Cadence
      * Joe Daniels, IEEE Standards Association
      * Karlton Lau, Xilinx
      * Gary Delp, Accellera/Silver Loon Systems
      * Bin Dai, Xilinx
      * Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence _DRA_
      * Syed Huq, Cisco
      * William A Hanna, Boeing
      * Meera Srinivasan, Synopsys
      * Jim Robinson, Synopsys
      * NSS Subramanian, Cadence
      * David Tran, Synopsys

---+++ Agenda

   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Meeting minutes from 07/25/2011
   1 Action Items Status
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Inter-operability Issues
   1 License Management
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 Common Rights and Visibility
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn

---+++ Minutes

---++++ Attendance/Quorum

We have 5/6 eligible entities, and have a working quorum.

---++++ Patent Policy

The [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]] were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.

---++++ Agenda Approval

Motion by Dave G, seconded by Jarek. Motion is approved.

---++++ Previous Minutes
John moved and Ray seconded the approval of the [[P1735Minutes2011July25][July 25, 2011]] minutes. The motion was approved.

---++++ Action Item Review
Steven reviewed the open action items.

Steven reported that the e-mail ballots for the P&P document have responses from 5/6 entities with no objections, and the ballot will close on 8/12/2011.  The e-mail ballots for the Key Management recommendations have responses from 4/6 entities with no objections and the ballot will close on 8/12/2011.

---++++ Liaison Reports
Steven reported that DASC has requested our approved P&P updates be submitted in time for DASC to approve them at the September meeting.  Dennis Brophy gave a presentation on the relationship of DASC sponsored standards to International standards work, slides from that presentation were to be posted at the DASC web site. IEEE SA is in the process of discontinuing the Request for Interpretation process, and will be replacing that with direct interaction with the working group for the standard in question. IEEE SA is also eliminating the re-affirmation process for stable standards, and will extend the lifetime for approved standards to 10 years from the current 5 years


---++++ Inter-operability


---++++ License Management


---++++ Key Management


---++++ Rights Management
Parminder is expected to be back from leave shortly and he and Dave G plan to update the Recommendations page with new text soon.

---++++ Common Rights and Visibility
John got feedback from Dave and Ray on his proposals and ideas, and is looking for responses from Jarek and Steven.  John's blue pill discussion is intended to determine whether P1735 has the will or desire to solve some of these difficult problems. Steven indicated that he is thinking about how to deliver recommendations in stages that the marketplace can adopt as customers drive vendors forward. Michael and Ray have experienced pressure from their customers to address issues in visibility.  Ray is interested in staged solutions as well.  

John asked about P1735 interest in error messages and reporting. Ray replied that reporting provided an additional doorway to disclose IP content.  Steven noted that P1800 is looking at expanding the set of openly accessible information to include the filename where protected objects are found.

John pointed out that without a strong visibility and/or common rights contribution, P1735 is not going to have a substantial impact. The current recommendations do not yet require major changes from industry.

Michael raised concerns about not addressing issues we have already identified as important. Looking for more content beyond the current issues risks substantial delay. Ray sees de facto agreement in the simulation phase, but other parts of the flow are not as consistent.  Dave G felt that the design state and activity ideas help to create a framework where the marketplace can evolve common rights behavior. John and Dave G agreed that we might extract maximum value by addressing the front-end of the design flow where the IP is still high-level, and let the market (and the inherent complexity of the IP) deal with the back-end for now.

---++++ Work Plan

| *Task* | *Requirements/White Paper* | *Writer-ready Specification* |
| Use Model | 02-Jul-2008 | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  |
| Trust Model | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  |
| Interoperability | 24-Aug-2009 | 26-Jan-2010 |
| License Management | 19-Apr-2011 | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  |
| Visibility Management | 23-Jul-2010 | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  |
| Key Management | 18-Oct-2010 | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  |
| Rights Control Structures | 27-Jun-2011 | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  |
| Common Rights | 23-Jul-2011 | %RED%???%ENDCOLOR%  |



---++++ Other Business


---+++ Next Meeting

The next [[P1735MeetingInfo][P1735 meeting]] is scheduled for August 22, 2011 at 15:00UTC.

*Tentative Agenda*
   1 Determine Quorum
   1 [[http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf][Patent slides]]
   1 Approve agenda
   1 Approval of Meeting minutes from 08/08/2011
   1 Action Items Status
   1 Liaison Reports
   1 Meeting Schedule
   1 Inter-operability Issues
   1 License Management
   1 Key Management
   1 Rights Management
   1 Common Rights and Visibility
   1 Work Plan
   1 Other Business
   1 Adjourn

---++++ Adjournment

Motion by Ray, second by Dave G. Approved by acclamation at 16:30UTC

---+++ Approval

These minutes are unapproved.

-- Main.StevenDovich - 2011-08-08
Topic revision: r4 - 2011-09-19 - 14:39:10 - StevenDovich
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