Meeting 54 Minutes

Teleconference, August 10, 2009

A quorum of six out of eleven voting members present. One non-voting members are also present.
Attendance and voter status indicated on the online roster.

Monday, August 10, 2009, 1600 UTC; 9:00 am Pacific Daylight Time

Attendees

• Voting members (6/11 voting members present)

  • Andrew Piziali

  • Brett Lammers

  • Darren Galpin

  • Yaron Kashi

  • Joe Hupcey

  • Henry von Bank

• Non-voting members

  • Mike Bartley

1. Call to order meeting 54 on August 10th at 9:05 am PDT (1605 UTC)

2. Approval of July 13 meeting 53 minutes

• Solicit motion to approve the minutes

• Yaron Kashi motioned

• Andy Piziali seconded

• Minutes approved

3. Status update

• Officer Election

  • Brett Lammers volunteered and is approved for the Secretary Position. Welcome

  • Officer Positions now complete

• Action Items

  • 1 Dec 08

    • Joe H. - will identify a driver customer for each language addition on the table and ask them to join the eWG and contribute both labor and, if necessary, funding. - Pending

      • Aug 10 Update:
        Joe - Very limited progress. Database can be searched but it is difficult to really develop a pattern and draw conclusions. Will attempt again when back from vacation
        Joe - Another tack might be to contact members that have been past members but have dropped out attendance wise. Will follow up after roster has been updated
        Darren - The online roster has been updated to better reflect active or interested members
        Andy - Have we thought about a blanket email to all AE's?
        Joe - Yes that is a thought. Waiting until after the vacation "season" ends.

      • 13 July: Little progress to date, and it is rather challenging as it isn't easy to extract the info - it will take more time. Is there a list online of those who used to participate? If there is, we need to look at it and purge it - we need to look at the roster and purge it of those who are not interested, as some are not doing verification any more.
        Darren: I'll check the roster against the mailing list.
        Brett: Perhaps check why some people took themselves off the list? [Note: two did, Carl Walker from Cisco, and Alan Ahlschlager from Cadence].
        Serrie: Perhaps only check against people who have ever attended a meeting?
        Brett: Agreed
        Joe H: Agreed
        Darren: The problem is that I do not have that information, as only the results of the past four meeting was kept for voting privileges.
        Joe H: Perhaps Andy has the information?

      • 6 June: No progress to date.

      • 11 May: Brett and Joe now have access to the support database so they can search for relevant customers for each features. They will be working with their AEs on this. Brett has not yet figured how to extract the needed information but it will be labor intensive.

      • 13 Apr: Joe asked Alan Ahlschlager if he and Brett Lammers can access the support database.

      • 6 Mar: Joe is coordinating this with CDNS Support, correlating enhancement requests with P1647-2010 features. Expected to be a somewhat slow process as service requests are not currently categorized by language construct.

• Task Forces

  • Constraints (lead: Mark Strickland)

    • Named checks

    • Named constraints

    • Type constraints

    • Aug 10 Update - No update

    • Previous Status -
      Two documents have been reviewed and issues submitted into the bug tracking system for the first document. Mike has sent some issues via e-mail, and they need to be entered.
      Mike: Do you want me to enter them?
      Mark: Enter them - we can discuss them afterwards

  • Coverage (lead: Andrew Piziali)

    • Temporal coverage

    • August 10 Update -

      • Due to limited time and limited interest Andy proposes to delay this feature
        • Joe- Keep it on the list for future releases
        • Darren - Motion to delay this until a later version
          • Andy seconds the motion
          • Call for discussion
            • No discussion
          • Call for objections/abstentions
            • No objections/abstentions
          • Motion Passed

• • • • Further Detail on the reason behind the proposal: Andy discussed the matter with several people at DAC (including Yoav Hollander), but as few people showed any interest in the idea, and Andy has limited time, it was decided to drop the feature. As Joe Hupcey mentioned that some users have their own in-house implementations of something similar, it was decided that the feature should be postponed rather than dropped entirely.

• • • Previous Status -
      In the process of identifying changes required for the 2008 LRMl
      Will post proposed changes through the Wiki

  • Macros (lead: Matan Vax)

    • Define-as-computed

    • Aug 10 Update - No Update

    • Previous Status
      No real progress
      Anticipating assistance of Cristian Amitroaie

  • Ports (lead: Yaron Kashai)

    • Interface ports

    • TLM ports as in SystemC

    • Aug 10 Update - No real progress
      • No real customer interest
      • Relatively easy feature that should be straightforward to include in the LRM
      • Yaron's Proposal: add page to Wiki in which working drafts can be posted and reviewed
        • Daren - Seems reasonable. You (Yaron) should have access to do so
        • Yaron - Will make a top level "Work in Progress" link containing the various drafts that are in progress

    • Previous Status
      Read through the document
      Will post the text on the Wiki

  • Types (lead: Mike Bartley)

    • Parameterized types

    • Real data type

    • Aug 10 Update -
      • Have not yet put issues into Mantis.
      • Plan to put working draft of document on Wiki for further comments
      • Henry has responded and has agreed our (Mike and Serrie) comments and has no additional comments. We are now just waiting for one of us to have the time to add the comments into Mantis.

    • Previous Status
      Mike and Serrie have reviewed the documents, and have e-mailed comments to Henry. To be put into Mantis.

  • Encryption

    • Aug 10 Update - No Update

    • Previous Status
      Stylianos will tackle elaborating the encryption specification of e.

• Open issues

  • Darren: There are a number of open issues that maybe should be saved for Sept meeting which hopefully will have a better quorum

4. Other business

• Any other business?

  • Mail a message to ieee1647@edaNOSPAMNOSPAM.org (the general email reflector) if you were not recorded in these minutes!

  • Anticipated e LRM editor Al Kolka (Cadence) has lost his job - may still be interested, Joe H to check. Joe H to contact other members of the Specman documentation team, but they are tied up with the fall Specman release so he are not yet available. Joe H to chase this up.

    • Aug 10 Update -
      • Joe - No update yet. Relevant people on Holiday

5. Call for essential patents

• The IEEE-SA updated the patent policy effective April 2008

• The details are available in updated slide set at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf. (See "Patent related" from the IEEE 1647 home page, "Slides About IEEE Patent Policy").

• If you believe that any patent claims are essential patent claims, please inform the working group. Review the posted slides for more information.

6. Next meeting

• Sept 14 at 9 am PDT (1600 UTC)

7. Adjourn

• Yaron Kashi motioned

• Andy Piziali seconded

• Motion approved

• Meeting adjourned at 9:22 am PDT (16:22 UTC)

-- BrettLammers - 12 Aug 2009