Meeting 77 Minutes

Teleconference, Monday, September 16, 2013, 1600 UTC; 9:00 am Pacific Standard Time

A quorum of 4 out of 5 voting members present. 3 non-voting members were also present.
Attendance and voter status indicated on the
on-line roster .

Attendees

  • Voting members
    • Brett Lammers
    • Andrew Piziali
    • Yaron Kashai
    • Darren Galpin
  • Non-voting members
    • Srinivasan Venkataramanan
    • Hannes Froehlich
    • Mike Bartely

1. Call to order meeting 77 on Sept 18th at 9:03 am PST (1603 UTC)

2. Approval of June 17th meeting 76 minutes

  • Solicit motion to approve the meeting 76 minutes
  • Andrew P. motions to approve meeting 76 minutes
  • Yaron K. seconded
  • Meeting 75 Minutes approved

3. Status update

  • September 16th Status
    • 6 month contribution period now over. Now it is time to start working on the next draft
      • 10 currently open topics which seem to divide into the following two groups
        • Temporals
        • Messaging
      • Need to get documentation from Cadence on the open topcis
        • In the past this has been FM source from the Specman documentation
        • The doc will be put up on the website in an access controlled section for use by the working groups
        • Hannes took the action to follow up on this
      • Need to get legal approval to take the CDN documenation for use in the standard
        • Darren to send the legal requests form the last go around to use as an exmaple
        • Hannes took the action to follow-up on this on the Cadence side
      • Need to identify an editor for the next revision
        • Need to have Framemaker expereince
        • Hannes took an action to look into this also
    • NOTE: Even thought the contribution period is officially closed we can still accept contributions and decide if we want to include them in this revision
    • Srini asked whether the group would be interested in posting examples/templates that some students he knows have created
      • The current example is an AXI4 VIP but still needs some polishing
      • Darren: Would be willing to post this to the WG website but they need to be clearly marked as freeware open to public usage etc. However this example posting is outside of our WG charter
      • Sirini: Mentioned that he was thinking that these examples could also serve as discussion vehicles and examples for the topic updates for the standard revision.
      • Srini also sent a message to Kishore who may have a better venue for this sort of posting
    • Srini asked about how we coordinate the subcommitee WGs mentioned above.
      • Darren layed out the following steps
        • Define the groups (mentioned above)
        • Identify volunteers to be commitee leaders
        • Identify volunteers to be part of the committees
        • Committe works with the editor to finish out their section/topic
        • Most of the communication/work done via email and Mantis
  • June 17th Status
    • Half way through the 6 mo. donation period. No new mantis issues or donatations
    • Sirini will add some issues to the mantis that he has gathered from India
      • e for formal verification. Maybe a PSL for e is needed??
      • UVM e position
        • Matan: Much (90%) of what is in UVM SV is already covered in IEEE1647 specification
    • Sirini mentioned that there is a lot of new interest in Indian universities to teach e classes
  • March 18 Status
    • PAR has been approved
    • Starting donation period
    • Joe to look into the legal issues for Cadence donations (Darren to send reminder)
    • Darren is proposing 3 mo. donation period
      • Joe brought up the question of putting the group on hiatus after discussion with Stan K
        • Idea being that maybe the spec is fairly mature, could allow more time for other parties to digest and contribute, does not mean the end of the WG
        • Could open donation period to be longer (6mo-1yr)
        • Darren mentioned that there are a number of new specman features that we want to pick up
        • Yaron also mentioned that having the PAR approved does start a clock ticking (5yr?)
        • Andy mentioned that maybe we need to add a check to the PAR creation process for this idea
      • Srini asked how do users who do not have time to develop a feature donate a feature. What is the definition of a donation?
        • Darren mentioned that we can just add it as a mantis issues
        • Donations can be two forms
          • More productized features like those from Cadence
          • Feature requests (ie from users) sent to the forum where it will be decided by the WG if it should be added
      • Conclusion: 6 mo. donation period seems to be favored
        • Does not mean that we will not have meetings (separate problem...can call meetings any time)
    • No new mantis issues
      • Darren: expect abort feature? Hannes to put in Mantis place holder
  • Dec 3 Status
    • DASC did approve PAR...now going to NesCom for approval
    • After NesCom aproval we would go into a donation period
      • Need to iron out any legal issues around donations from Cadence
        • Joe H. will look into it and report back
    • Mike Bartley is resigning his vice chair position
      • Will wait about week for voluteers and then go to the DASC chair to nominate someone
      • Darren will also send out an email on the reflector asking for volunteers
    • Amy W. also will not be able to fill the editor role
      • Joe will talk to some potential candidates and report back to the WG
    • Hannes will submit a mantis issue (high level details only) to track the new messaging content from cadence
  • Sept 10 Status
    • Current issues Update
      • "Consume" issue does now have a mantis issue 4112
      • Matan added mantis issue 4312 for Structured Debug Messaging
      • No mantis issue yet for reflection
        • Hannes: Cadence is still making additional reflection changes and would like to wait until after those changes stablize before submitting something to Mantis. Hannes can have conversation with Candence Language team and report back.
        • Darren would like to have that info within the next 6 month in prep for PARS submission
      • Place holder mantis issue 4124 for new set type has been submitted
      • Constraints issue Matan brought up has not yet been submitted
      • "On event" issue has been added as manits item
    • Looks like we have enough issues for a new PAR
      • Darren will work with Andy and Yaron to start this process
    • LRM has been released and is online in the IEEE store
  • April 23 Status
    • There is an issue submitted on the currently submittted draft. The key word "consume" is usedin the key word table but not defined elswhere in the spec
      • This key word does have functionality with regards to events
      • Darren: Needs to go into next version. Darren will reply to Mantis issue
    • Structured Debug Messages and Reflection Enhancements have not yet been added to Mantis.
      • Matan will add
    • Other enhancements
      • Joe: Should we add something around UVMe?
        • Matan: There are some new things here (tesflow phases, UVM scoreboard, Low power)
          • Maybe should not be included in LRM as it is an open source and already part of another spec/methodology (i.e. UVM)
          • Implemented in 100% standard e as a library and no language changes/additions
      • Hannes: Specman RnD working on sets.
        • Darren will work with Hannes to get this into Mantis
      • Matan: A lot of work has been Constraint semantics (order, implications etc). Now there are very clear definitions that could update what is in the LRM
        • Most pproblematic in the past has been order. There has been a lot of work here in Specman including a new solver.
        • Improvements in lists, when subtypes etc
        • Matan to go through LRM and propose changes relative to constraint solving in Mantis issue
      • Matan: There is also generalization of "on <event>". Now it can be used for events outside of the current scope.
        • Matan to create a note in Mantis
    • What is the status of a new LRM version
      • Still waiting for last version to close out
      • Would need to submit request for new version (i.e. new PAR)
      • Then would ask for donations (i.e. Cadence to submit docs on features)
      • When is the right time?
        • Add in the items that came in todays meeting into mantis (mentioned above)
        • Wait for a few more months and see if we want a new version
  • Oct 11 Status
    • Standard has been published..What Next?

      • Darren proposes waiting 6 mo or more to gather feedback on the current version
      • Joe reported that this seems in line with guidance from Stan Krolikoski
      • Andy P. asked if there were enhancement requests etc that have come in since the standard
        • Darren is concerned that he is not connected to updates made by Cadence
          • Matan offered up the following enhancements that have occured
            • Multi-dimensional lists - (actually this was addressed in the latest version as a tool limitation)
            • Reflection API updates - Has been extended in the current Specman version
            • Structured Debug Messages - generalization of the message construct
          • Darren asked if when Matan sees such changes that he could submit them as enhancements requests (Mantis)
      • Andy P. asked what we should do about updates that we voted to leave behind in this latest version.
        • Only temporal coverage was left behind by vote.
          • Does not seem to have customer demand
  • July 11th Status
    • Final draft passed last ballot

      • Last step waiting for IEEE editorial staff comments if any
    • Update to our P&P's (bylaws)

      • Darren made the required updates based on the DASC updates
      • Darren G. proposes a verbal Ballot during the meeting to accept
      • Yaron K. seconded the motion
      • Vote results -
        • Voting members (4 approved, 1 abstained)
          • Brett Lammers -Approved
          • Andrew Piziali - Abstained
          • Darren Galpin - Approved
          • Yaron Kashai - Approved
          • Joe Hupcey - Approved
        • Non-voting members (3 Approved, 1 Abstained)
          • Mike Bartley - Approved
          • Iraklis Diamantidis - Approved
          • Amy Witherow - Abstained
          • Kishore Karnane - Approved
      • New bylaws approved based on 4 out 7 voting members approval

  • Action Items

    • None

  • Editor Slot
    • Sept 16th Uptate

      • No Update

    • June 17th Uptate

      • No Update

    • March 18th Update

      • No editor as of yet. Amy suggested some candidates. Joe and Amy are evaluating some Cadence editors but not ready to name names

    • Dec 3rd Update

      • No Update

    • Sept 10th Update

      • No Update

    • Apr 23rd Update

      • No Update

    • Oct 11 Update

      • No Update

    • July 11 Update

      • No Update

    • Mar 28 Update

      • No Update

    • Feb 14 Update

      • Amy will make the changes she can and wait for additional input on the issues that needed additioanl feedback.

      • New version will include "internal review" change bars

      • Amy and Darren will exchange the spreadsheet to track the issues and respond correctly to the SA website

    • Dec 13 Update

      • Would like to talk with Darren

        • about how to backup final FrameMaker files

        • who should Amy work with to provide source files to IEEE

    • Sept 13 Update

      • Will create new draft for ratification

      • Proposal to create a version for WG balloting that contains change bars.

      • Draft for SA balloting will not contain change bars.

4. Other business

  • Any other business?
  • Mail a message to ieee1647@edaNOSPAM.org (the general email reflector) if you were not recorded in these minutes

5. Call for essential patents

  • The IEEE-SA updated the patent policy effective April 2008

  • The details are available in updated slide set at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.pdf. (See "Patent related" from the IEEE 1647 home page, "Slides About IEEE Patent Policy").

  • If you believe that any patent claims are essential patent claims, please inform the working group. Review the posted slides for more information.

6. Next meeting

  • Nov 11th at 9am PST ( 1700 UTC )

7. Adjourn

  • Yaron K. motioned

  • Srini V. seconded

  • Motion approved

  • Meeting adjourned at 9:17 PDT (16:17 UTC)

-- BrettLammers - 2013-09-16

Topic revision: r2 - 2013-09-16 - 20:20:03 - BrettLammers
 
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