All, Please review and let me know of any correctoins which shoujld be made to them. Thanks, Dennis ________________________________ IEEE SystemVerilog Working Group UNAPPROVED MINUTES 19 January 2006 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. PST Synopsys, Mountain View, CA USA 1. Call to order Chair Srouji called the meeting to order at 10:20 a.m. The roster of attendees is follows. Those IEEE SA Corporate Members who participate in the meeting today are recognized as voting members. Key: DR= Designated Representative DRA= Designated Representative Alternate O=Observer S=Staff Present Entity Name Representative Name Representative Designation IEEE-SA Member Voting Member X Accellera Karen Pieper DR Yes Yes X Bluespec Rishyur Nikhil DR Yes Yes X Cadence Victor Berman DR Yes Yes Charles Dawson DRA X IBM Johny Srouji DR Yes Yes X Intel Yossi Levy DR Yes Yes X Mentor Graphics Dennis Brophy DR Yes Yes Dave Rich DRA X Sun Neil Korpusik DR Yes Yes X Sunburst Design Cliff Cummings DR Yes Yes X Sutherland HDL Stu Sutherland DR Yes Yes X Synopsys Steve Smith DR Yes Yes X Fintronic USA Alec Stanculescu DR Yes Yes Staff 2. Approve agenda A motion (Karen Pieper, Victor Berman) was mad to approve the agenda. The motion passed unanimously. 3. Call for Patents Secretary Brophy read the required IEEE patent slides. Download Patent Slide set (PowerPoint) <http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt> 4. Approval of 10 October 2005 meeting minutes A motion (Victor Berman, Karen Pieper) was made to approve the meeting minutes. The motion passed unanimously. 5. Action Items Review and Follow-up Chair Srouji reviewed the action items and updated their status. Download Action Item List <http://www.eda-twiki.org/sv-ieee1800/Meetings/2006/January/P1800-WG-Action-Items-06-10-05.htm> 6. Awards: SystemVerilog 1800 awards; 1364 Verilog awards; Accellera awards There will be two sets of awards given. This is done at publication of the standard. The first award is the IEEE 1800 chair's award is for work during the IEEE part of the process. The second set of awards was certificates of appreciation for all who contributed to the creation of the specification. For 1364 the awards will be done in last February or early March. The chair awards were given to Karen Pieper, Brad Pierce, Vassilios Gerousis, Françoise Martinolle, Dave Rich, Dennis Brophy and Johny Srouji. ACTION REQUEST: [Johny Srouji, Karen Pieper & Dennis Brophy] Work with Accellera to get awards for the whole team of participants and offer awards to the full team. Certificates will be delivered for the others that contributed to the project. All those mentioned in the front of the LRM will be awarded 7. Conclude the work group decision on a two years plans and deliverables, both for Verilog and SystemVerilog Every member was allowed to share one foil on what they would like to see in the next release of the standard. Johny presented a list of items that were discussed at the last meeting for work they wanted to see in the next version of SystemVerilog LRM. A table of this was presented to the working group on what should be included in this release. Download Table <http://www.eda-twiki.org/sv-ieee1800/Meetings/2006/January/SystemVerilogFuture_v2.pdf> Intel presented on a list of changes they would like to see. Download Intel Presentation <http://www.eda-twiki.org/sv-ieee1800/Meetings/2006/January/Intel%20IEEE%20p1800%20goal.pdf> . Intel would suggests market adoption be driven, bring power of PSL to SVA. Sun presented their list of change they would like to see. Download Sun Presentation <http://www.eda-twiki.org/sv-ieee1800/Meetings/2006/January/Sun%20IEEE%20p1800%20Goals%20011906.pdf> . They want a process to address necessary errata and only fix minor ones as needed. They would like to see the merge of 1364 and 1800 so there would not be tool divergence. Cliff discussed that his first priority was to address ongoing support followed by errata. Stu believes the #1 priority is merging the two documents. It is not effective to correct errata or add enhancements to two documents. There is a guarantee of divergence of the two standards when this is done. Based on all this input, the document of future work was updated to reflect the current thought of the members. ACTION ITEM: [Dennis Brophy] See what it would take to buy open access to the standard. Discuss with the CAG at the next telecom. Stu's estimate of time to merge the two documents is 300 hours. A motion was made (Steve Smith, Dennis Brophy) to request from Chuck Adams authority for Johny to form and chair a SV Study Group to look into revisions and enhancement to 1364 & 1800 including the potential to merge the two. The motion passed unanimously. A motion was made (Stu Sutherland, Charles Dawson) that the merge of the documents be part of the two year revision draft. Opposed: Intel - Yossi Levy, Accellera - Karen Pieper, Mentor Graphics - Dennis Brophy, Synopsys - Steve Smith Approved: Sunburst Design - Cliff Cummings, Sutherland Design - Stu Sutherland, Bluespec - Rishyur Nikhil, Cadence - Charles Dawson, Sun Microsystems - Neil Korpusik. Chair Srouji opposes to create a tie. The motion failed. Yossi would like a discussion with the technical guys. A motion was made (Yossi Levy, Stu Sutherland) to have the technical teams review the need for a plan to merge 1364 into 1800 spec and issue a report within one month. Motion passed unanimously. ACTION ITEM: [Karen Pieper and Technical Team] Provide assessment from the technical committee on time that would be needed from them to invest in this process of bringing the two LRMs together. ACTION ITEM: [Karen Pieper] Determine the cost to create the merged document. A motion (Karen Pieper, Steve Smith) was made to work on errata, clarifications, local enhancements, enhancements to SVA and interoperability with VHDL. Opposed: Sutherland HDL - Stu Sutherland, Bluespec - Rishyur Nikhil Approve: Accellera - Karen Pieper, Sun - Neil Korpusik, Mentor Graphics - Dennis Brophy, Synopsys - Steve Smith, Cadence - Charles Dawson, Sunburst Design - Cliff Cumming, Intel - Yossi Levy. The motion passed. A motion (Yossi Levy, Karen Pieper) was made to include interoperability with Verilog-AMS in the scope of the work. Opposed: Sutherland HDL - Stu Sutherland. The motion passed. A motion (Stu Sutherland, Cliff Cummings) was made to include interoperability with SystemC with the next revision. Opposed: Sutherland HDL - Stu Sutherland, Sun Microsystems - Neil Korpusik, Intel - Yossi Levy. Approve: Bluespec - Rishyur Nikhil, Accellera - Karen Pieper, Mentor Graphics - Dennis Brophy, Synopsys - Steve Smith, Cadence - Charles Dawson. Abstain: Sunburst Design - Cliff Cummings. The motion passed. 8. open issues Review Karen presented an overview status of open items. Issues open in the committees: SV-BC 371 (SV-BC: 132) (V-1364: 239) SV-EC 73 SV-CC 87 SV-AC 5 Issues currently passed by the committees: V-1364 14 SV-EC 1 SV-CC 8 There are 100's of SV-BC and 100's of 1364 issues. They cannot all be fixed and addressed. How should they be addressed, priorities? Concentrate on things with concrete proposals. Issues can be closed without a proposal as a way to determine which are high and low priority. There should be no difference between 1364 and 1800. 9. Potential structure changes upon acceptance of the new PAR A motion was made (Karen Pieper, Dennis Brophy) that for the time being there be no change to the committee structure. The motion passed unanimously. 10. Interface to Accellera No discussion was had on this topic. The work would continue to use the IEEE Corporate Program and the committee would maintain the strong and close ties with Accellera for ongoing sponsorship. 11. SV-BC Guidance on how to prioritize items SV-BC operating guideline changes were reviewed. The SV-BC voted for three changes. The first was to eliminate the vote by company if the P1800 denied a vote the committee approved. The also voted to change the way voting rights would be determined for meetings. Specifically, a meeting to count towards and against voting membership must be called at least a week in advance. The SV-BC also changed wording from "member based" for votes rather than individual votes. ACTION ITEM: [Karen Pieper] Go back in light of the experience of the last standard to establish a set of operating guidelines. Add no dominance by any one company. 12. Review required structural changes as a result No structural changes were reviewed. 13. Prepare a high overall plan and deliverable of the WG It is still too early to discuss this. Item was deferred. 14. Discuss the formation of a study group to prepare a new PAR that we shall submit to NESCOM This topic was covered by earlier discussions. 15. Solidify our interface to AMS technical committee, and possibly others. Discussion on this was deferred. 16. New business SV-BC committee - two new items. For proposals that include diagrams, like those in Framemaker, it is easier to create them if the committee has access to the document source. ACTION ITEM: [Johny Srouji] Get the 1364 and 1800 Framemaker source to facilitate the creation of proposals from the IEEE. The SV-BC would like the P1800 committee to publish guidelines on how they should direct clarifications. There have been two clarifications to date, one an errata and the second was just a "where to look" for the information. 17. Next meeting (announce date, time, and location, if known) 21 February 2006 3 -5 p.m. PST Host: TBD San Jose, CA USA 18. Adjournment No further business before the working group, the meeting adjourned at 3:00 p.m. PST.Received on Sat Jan 28 11:39:25 2006
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