RE: [vhdl-200x] Language Transitions: SystemVerilog in the Ascendancy?

Joe,

  Your link points to tag in a blog entry I wrote. From reading the
emails the past few days on the reflector, I estimate this reference
will be seen to be commentary and dismissed. A pdf of Wally's keynote
can be found at
http://www.mentor.com/company/industry_keynotes/upload/DVCon-2011.pdf.

  Harry Foster at Mentor Graphics and long time verification master, has
worked with an independent organization to conduct research that mirrors
research that others in the past decade have done (and are no longer
doing). Harry has 7 blogs on the information gathered in the surveys
(so far) and his prologue blog outlines some of the details of them.
You can find his prologue at
http://blogs.mentor.com/verificationhorizons/blog/2011/03/30/prologue-th
e-2010-wilson-research-group-functional-verification-study/. It tells
you a lot about how the survey was done.

All,

  I offer this for completeness of information, not to sway anyone's
position.

  I also offer this in keeping with the content of the 1076 PAR
(https://development.standards.ieee.org/get-file/P1076.pdf?t=66787800003
) where it is clear in clause 5.6 it states the EDA industry is one of
the 1076 stakeholders such that the committee might want to hear from it
and some of its constituents regarding market relevance of possible
additions and changes to the language.

  I also hope that the open mind the 1076 team has to changes and
additions to the language will remain open as other working group
participants share information they have. While I have read several
posts that surveys are out of bounds for working groups, this is not
totally true. You will find in the antitrust information at
http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/antitrust.pdf that the
committee cannot do surveys without contacting IEEE-SA first.
Individuals have every right and privilege to make such presentations.
You will find the following text as your guide:

     "Customer Surveys and Statistical Programs. Individual participants

      may make presentations about broad market potential or market
      requirements for informational purposes. No IEEE-SA standards
      group may engage in, direct, or encourage its members to engage
      in surveys of customers or gathering of statistical data about
      market requirements, markets, or customers without appropriate
      review by IEEE-SA legal counsel (which is arranged through the
      IEEE-SA Staff Liaison for your working group or technical
      committee)."

Cheers,

Dennis
  

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org [mailto:owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org] On Behalf
Of Joseph M Gwinn
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:34 PM
To: vhdl-200x@eda.org
Subject: [vhdl-200x] Language Transitions: SystemVerilog in the
Ascendancy?

Well, all this talk of forbidden topics made me curious, so I dug up the

actual talk by the Chairman & CEO of Mentor Graphics. While we may or
may
not be allowed to discuss the contents on the reflector, it is certainly

OK for people to read it, to get the full context, so here's the link.

<http://blogs.mentor.com/verificationhorizons/blog/tag/wally-rhines/>

Near the top find the button to get the full keynote speech.

I have no dog in this fight. Nor do I have an opinion on the
correctness
of Mr. Rhines' talk.

Joe Gwinn

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