RE: [vhdl-200x] Draft PAR

Peter,

  I will second the motion.

Regards,

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org [mailto:owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org] On Behalf Of Peter Ashenden
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:02 PM
To: vhdl-200x@eda.org
Subject: RE: [vhdl-200x] Draft PAR

Folks,

Further to my previous message, I move the following:

  That the VASG approve the attached revision PAR for IEEE Std 1076 with
  the following changes:

    Item 11: Change to "Entity".

    Item 13: Change "1164 and 1076.2" to "1164, 1076.2 and 1076.3".

Cheers,

PA
(as a VASG member)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org
> [mailto:owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org] On Behalf Of Peter Ashenden
> Sent: Friday, 18 June 2004 22:28
> To: 'Bailey, Stephen'; vhdl-200x@eda.org
> Subject: RE: [vhdl-200x] Draft PAR
> 
> 
> Steve and colleagues,
> 
> Thanks to Steve for preparing the draft PAR.  I echo Edward's 
> reservations about mixed individual/entity balloting.
> Providing entity voting as a form of recognition of support doesn't 
> really give any benefit to entities. Compare that with entity-only 
> balloting, where entities are on the proverbial level playing field.  
> I think that is perceived as being of higher value to entities, and 
> would be more likely to attract funding.
> 
> An important point to note is that if the ballot group and WG are 
> entity-based, the WG can still determine separate voting rules for 
> subgroups, such as technical teams.  Those subgroup rules can admit of 
> individual voting.  This might be a way of satisfying people's 
> concerns about disenfranchisement of individuals in the technical 
> work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> PA
> (as a VASG member)
> 
> --
> Dr. Peter J. Ashenden                        peter@ashenden.com.au
> Ashenden Designs Pty. Ltd.                   www.ashenden.com.au
> PO Box 640                                   Ph:  +61 8 8339 7532
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> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org
> > [mailto:owner-vhdl-200x@eda.org] On Behalf Of Bailey, Stephen
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2004 16:05
> > To: vhdl-200x@eda.org
> > Subject: [vhdl-200x] Draft PAR
> > 
> > 
> > Attached is a draft of the PAR.  Peter Ashenden (DASC Chair) has 
> > already performed one review cycle and the attached includes 
> > comments from his review.
> > 
> > Note that I'm suggesting that we allow both individual expert and 
> > organization entity membership for the working group.
> > The membership of the WG needs to be discussed.  But, here's my 
> > thinking as well as an observation from Edward Rashba of iEEE SA on 
> > the options here:
> > 
> > 1.  We need to find financial support for the VHDL-200x work.
> >  Primarily the funds are needed for the focussed effort of editing 
> > the VHDL LRM.  I have received estimates for the costs of this work 
> > of ~$200k over the course of 2-3 years (two revisions of VHDL under 
> > VHDL-200x).
> > 
> > 2.  I have been informed that Accellera has spent at least $150k to 
> > get the SystemVerilog 3.1a LRM to its current state with possibility 
> > that a bit more funding will be needed to complete the IEEE 
> > standardization process.  Therefore, the estimates for VHDL are 
> > within the general ballpark given the expected scope of LRM editing 
> > anticipated.  Hopefully, no one should expect that VHDL can do this 
> > work at a significant discount to that which was needed for 
> > SystemVerilog.
> > 
> > 3.  Corporate support of our work as expressed by funding for the 
> > effort is a great indication that we are doing something that users 
> > need (and EDA vendors recognize users want).
> > Therefore, funding is a positive and we should be soliciting it.
> > 
> > 4.  Therefore, I thought that we could allow both membership classes 
> > for 1076.  Although it has not been officially placed to a vote of 
> > the WG, I heard feedback that the current members wanted to stay 
> > with individual membership.  Allowing organizational entity 
> > membership would allow us to also recognize corporate support for 
> > our work by giving supporters a direct voice in the WG.
> > 
> > 5.  Edward Rashba counseled against having both membership classes.  
> > However, he also indicated that in some cases, such as ours, it has 
> > and could work.  Our historical operation makes it reasonable to 
> > believe that supporting both membership classes for 1076 could work.
> > 
> > 6.  Personally, I believe individual only membership would hinder 
> > the ability of the WG to successfully solicit financial support.  
> > However, I will do my best to find the funding whatever membership 
> > option the WG decides to use.
> > 
> > Since <24 hours is insufficient time to review a PAR and comment, no 
> > vote to approve the PAR will be held tomorrow (10 Jun 04 Meeting).  
> > However, we will entertain discussion on the topic in preparation 
> > for a future vote via email to be conducted in ~2 weeks time.  
> > (Discussion via email is also welcome.)
> > 
> > I'm looking forward to the meeting.  I think that Erich's work on 
> > defining how PSL can be incorporated in VHDL by reference combined 
> > with the VHPI and other language change proposals that appear ready 
> > to go will result in a new revision that is highly valuable.  It 
> > will also lay the foundation for even more capabilities in the next 
> > revision.
> > 
> > To review the proposals visit
> > www.eda.org/vhdl-200x/vhdl-200x-ft
> <www.eda.org/vhdl-200x/vhdl-200x-ft>
> 
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