Subject: RE: [sv-ac] Minutes of SV-AC Meeting 10/3/02
From: Erich Marschner (erichm@cadence.com)
Date: Sun Oct 06 2002 - 18:59:02 PDT
Vassilios,
| Erich you are putting words in my mouth.
I apologize if I said anything that gave you this impression. It was not at all my intent.
On the contrary, I was trying to correct the minutes so that a quotation attributed to me did NOT put words in your mouth. I wanted the minutes to show clearly that I was expressing what I thought and not something you had said.
The original quotation said this:
| EM: We will draw on OVA and PSL as resources. VG will drive the
| synchronization between the two, both in functionality and
| in time. ....
This quotation implies that you have committed to "driving the synchronization between the two, both in functionality and in time". I did not say that in the meeting. What I did say is this:
| "In the last Board meeting, the Accellera Board passed a resolution
| directing Vassilios to "synchronize" PSL and DAS "to the
| greatest extent
| possible". I interpret 'synchronize' to mean that PSL and
| DAS should be
| identical wherever possible. I believe that Vassilios may
| also interpret
| this as "synchronize in time", but that to me is a secondary issue."
In the corrected quotation, the first statement is a fact - it is present in the minutes of the last Board meeting. The second statement is what I said about how I interpret "synchronize". The last statement is what I said about what *I believe* you may have meant by "synchronize". I made it clear that this is my belief, not your words.
In any case, I made the statement because it is implied by the minutes of the Board meeting. Here are the relevant sections:
=========
...
3) TC Report
Vassilios gave the report on current TC activities. ...
He also reported on progress of coordination between System Verilog and PSL. He said a committee of 6 people had been formed to work on it. His goal is to synchronize release of PSL 1.0 and System Verilog 3.1. ....
....
Motion: The Accellera board of directors recommends PSL 1.0 and DAS 2.0 be synchronized to the greatest extent possible, and the relevant technical subcommittees work out a plan to that end.
Proposed: Grant Martin
Seconded: Len Hills
The motion was passed unanimously.
=========
It appears from the minutes that you talked about synchronizing *releases* of PSL 1.0 and System Verilog 3.1 - i.e., synchronizing in time. However, the motion talked about synchronizing the *assertion languages* PSL 1.0 and DAS 2.0 - i.e., synchronizing language features. I was referring to this difference of interpretation of the word "synchronize" in the comments I made in the SV-AC meeting. I wanted the minutes to accurately reflect this point, hence my email back to Tom.
I hope this clarifies my email.
Regards,
Erich
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Erich Marschner, Cadence Design Systems
Senior Architect, Advanced Verification
Phone: +1 410 750 6995 Email: erichm@cadence.com
Vmail: +1 410 872 4369 Email: erichm@comcast.net
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Vassilios.Gerousis@infineon.com
| [mailto:Vassilios.Gerousis@infineon.com]
| Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 8:38 AM
| To: Erich Marschner; fitz@synopsys.com
| Subject: RE: [sv-ac] Minutes of SV-AC Meeting 10/3/02
|
|
| Erich you are putting words in my mouth.
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Erich Marschner [mailto:erichm@cadence.com]
| Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:32 PM
| To: fitz@synopsys.com; sv-ac@eda.org
| Subject: RE: [sv-ac] Minutes of SV-AC Meeting 10/3/02
| Importance: High
|
|
| Tom,
|
| The following quotation from me is incorrect:
|
| EM: We will draw on OVA and PSL as resources. VG will drive the
| synchronization between the two, both in functionality and
| in time. There is
| no explicit requirement that the assertion language must be coherent,
| consistent and complete, and this will be a serious concern.
| For example,
| there are significant clocking semantic issues that will need to be
| addressed.
|
| What I said is this:
|
| "In the last Board meeting, the Accellera Board passed a resolution
| directing Vassilios to "synchronize" PSL and DAS "to the
| greatest extent
| possible". I interpret 'synchronize' to mean that PSL and
| DAS should be
| identical wherever possible. I believe that Vassilios may
| also interpret
| this as "synchronize in time", but that to me is a secondary issue."
|
| The key point here is that the Accellera Board has required
| synchronization
| between PSL and DAS - with no mention of OVA.
|
| Regards,
|
| Erich
|
| -------------------------------------------
| Erich Marschner, Cadence Design Systems
| Senior Architect, Advanced Verification
| Phone: +1 410 750 6995 Email: erichm@cadence.com
| Vmail: +1 410 872 4369 Email: erichm@comcast.net
|
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: Tom Fitzpatrick [mailto:fitz@co-design.com]
| | Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:32 PM
| | To: sv-ac@eda.org
| | Subject: [sv-ac] Minutes of SV-AC Meeting 10/3/02
| |
| |
| | Attendance:
| |
| | Legend:
| | x = attended
| | - = missed
| | r = represented
| | . = not yet a member
| |
| | [xxxxx----x.] Faisal Haque (Cisco, Chairman)
| | [xx-xxxxxxrx] Tom Fitzpatrick (Synopsys, Co-Chair)
| | [--x-x-x--xr] Tom Anderson (0-in)
| | [----------x] Jason Andrews (Axis)
| | [xxxx-xxx--x] Roy Armoni (Intel)
| | [xx-xxxxxxxx] Gail Dagan (Intel)
| | [-x-x--xxxxx] Simon Davidmann (Co-Design)
| | [--x-xxxrxx.] Surrendra Dudani (Synopsys)
| | [xxxxxxxrxrx] Cindy Eisner (IBM)
| | [----xxrrrxx] Peter Flake (Co-Design)
| | [x-rx-xxxrrx] Harry Foster (Verplex)
| | [xxrxx-xxx..] John Havlicek (Motorola)
| | [x-xx-xxxxx-] Richard Ho (0-in)
| | [-x.........] Sagi Katz (Gallileo)
| | [xxxxxxxxrx-] Adam Krolnik (LSI)
| | [xxx-x--xx-x] David Lacey (HP, OVL Chairman)
| | [xxxxxx---xx] Joseph Lu (Sun)
| | [xxxxx--xxxx] Erich Marschner (Cadence)
| | [xxxxx-x-x-x] Steve Meier (Synopsys)
| | [----------x] Paul Menchini (Menchini & Associates)
| | [-xxxxx-xxxx] Prakash Narain (Real Intent)
| | [xxxxxxxxxx-] Rajeev Ranjan (Real Intent)
| | [---xxxxxxx.] Ambar Sarkar (Paradigm Works)
| | [xxxx-x-x...] Richard Stolzman (Verplex)
| | [-x-xxxxxx-x] Andrew Seawright (0-in)
| | [xxxx-xrxxxx] Bassam Tabbara (Novas)
| | [xxx........] Yaron Wolfsthal (IBM)
| | |||||||||||
| | ||||||||||+- 7/9/02
| | |||||||||+-- 7/25/02
| | ||||||||+--- 8/1/02
| | |||||||+---- 8/8/02
| | ||||||+----- 8/15/02
| | |||||+------ 8/22/02
| | ||||+------- 9/5/02
| | |||+-------- 9/12/02
| | ||+--------- 9/19/02
| | |+---------- 9/26/02
| | +----------- 10/3/02
| |
| |
| | Results of OVA Donation vote:
| | Accept: Intel, Motorola, Novas, Real Intent, Sun, Synopsys
| | Oppose: Cadence, Verplex, IBM, 0-in
| |
| | OVA Donation has been accepted.
| |
| | FH: What items need to be discussed at the next meeting?
| | TF: The requirements voting results will be available on Monday.
| | FH: Can we make SV-AC a monthly meeting from now on?
| | AK: What are the requirements going to be used for?
| | FH: The DWG will try to ensure that the LRM meets the
| requirements.
| | EM: This may be in conflict with the specified schedule.
| | SM: Let's use the number of votes to prioritize the
| | requirements. We should
| | work on requirements in this order, and those that can't be
| | addressed in
| | time to meet the schedule, they should be dropped.
| | AK: Unless there is not enough functionality.
| | TF: The SV-AC must still approve the work of the DWG.
| | SM: If that's the case, then we need to discuss what to do.
| | FH: It is likely that we may need to make tradeoff
| decisions on the
| | lower-priority requirements.
| | EM: We will draw on OVA and PSL as resources. VG will drive the
| | synchronization between the two, both in functionality and
| | in time. There is
| | no explicit requirement that the assertion language must
| be coherent,
| | consistent and complete, and this will be a serious concern.
| | For example,
| | there are significant clocking semantic issues that will
| need to be
| | addressed.
| | FH: We will note this concern and address it.
| | EM: This is the next topic in the DWG. We will see if there
| | is a resolution
| | possible on clocking semantics.
| | JH: I have not yet seen the formal definition of OVA as
| part of the
| | donation. Those semantics must be provided in order to
| make progress.
| | SM: These will be available at the end of the week.
| | AK: Will the problem with false-firings in 3.0 be addressed?
| | TF: The current voting indicates that this will be an
| | important requirement.
| |
| | FH: Propose that we meet next month (11/7) to discuss
| | requirements and
| | review DWG progress.
| | TF: I'll be on vacation. Can we make it 10/31?
| |
| | Next meeting: Thursday, October 31, 2002.
| | 9-11am PST
| | Call-in information to be provided prior to the meeting.
| |
| | Thanks,
| | -Tom
| |
| | ------------------------------------------------------
| | Tom Fitzpatrick
| | Sr. Manager, Product Technical Marketing
| | Synopsys, Inc.
| | ------------------------------------------------------
| | Email: fitz@synopsys.com Mobile: (978)337-7641
| | Tel: (978)448-8797 Fax: (561)594-3946
| | ------------------------------------------------------
| |
| |
|
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