fyi -----Original Message----- From: owner-sv-cc@server.eda.org [mailto:owner-sv-cc@server.eda.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Dawson Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:16 AM To: SV-CC Subject: [sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 07/30/2008 Minutes of 07/30/2008 SV-CC Meeting. 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Reviewed Patent information - Chas reviewed the patent information which can be found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt 2. Approval of agenda Chuck/Bassam APPROVED 3. Reviewed minutes for 06/04/2008 Jim requested that Chas continue to send out an email version of the minutes. Chas to investigate. Jim/Chuck. ACCEPTED 4. Liaisons - Abi reported that there was a SV-SC meeting yesterday. They have reached consensus on most items. They have decided to postpone VPI for Checkers (Item 2182). There were some people with serious reservations on many of the SV-SC Items still, but not sure if there is enough to keep it out of the standard. Steve is nervous about it being pushed thru at the last minute. Gord is also concerned but thinks that most of the serious problems have been worked out. - No other meetings to report on. 5. Consent Agenda 6. Expedited Agenda Items 7. New business * New SV-CC website Chas reported that there is a permissions problem that will be fixed shortly. Then everyone should be able to modify their own action items and the agenda. * JEITA issue John reported that he contacted the JEITA folks and that it seems like it is not a major issue for them. John thinks we should go with the simple proposal which Jim has made. Motion to accept Item 1835. Chuck/John. PASSED (unanimous) * Shalom's question on assertion properties We talked about this a long time ago. Abi and Chas remembers. Not having them in the include file is definitely a problem. We should either remove them from the diagram or add them to the include file. Too late to solve this. Abi to write a proposal to address the issue. Proposal should specify if they are zero based or one based. The line numbers are one based. Column properties should be one based. For the last one, need to specify if it is the last one in or the first one out. * Reviewing Draft 6 Items Chas asked that everyone review their changes in this draft and make sure that they were implemented correctly. * Abi's issues with Item 2226 Abi moves that we accept the draft 6 version of the proposal. John to make sure that the proposal is relative to draft 6 of LRM. John seconds. PASSED (unanimous). John to remove previous versions from Mantis. * VPI changes needed due to Item 2374 Chuck put together a proposal for Item 2447. Will discuss when we get there. * DPI issue with Item 2099 Not sure what to do. VPI allows the application to tell the interface what version it was written against. Should we include a new version string "P1800-2009". Jim thinks we should not make a change at this time. Francoise to try to get the opinions of Doug Ralph, and Amit. * Mark Item 0529 as a duplicate of Item 0528 Jim/Chuck. PASSED (unanimous) * SV-CC members list in standard How is the list of members chosen? Good question. What criteria? Number of meetings attended, having voting rights? Chas to ask the editor and P1800. Should make sure that Michael (and a few others) are working for Freescale, not Motorola. * VPI and Let, Item 2414 (also 1728 and 1503) The diagram in 1503 for let (36.76) is clearly wrong. Abi's solution was to remove this not from the proposal in 2414. Bassam tried to explain the spirit of the note. Jim thinks we can safely get away with leaving the note out. Seq Formal Decl is not like anything else we have seen: More than a macro but less than a port. Question came up as to whether a let is an expression. Abi kind of thought it was so drew it that way. Item 1503 defines vpiSeqFormalDecl. Bassam thinks that 2414 should not add vpiSeqFormalDecl. Jim thinks we should not have "seq formal decl" be bold in 36.50 in this proposal. Jim points out that we renamed vpiIdentifier to be vpiSeqFormalDecl. Friendly amendment to strike the vpiSeqFormalDecl from the end of the proposal and to unbold the "seq formal decl" from 36.50. Abi points out that Bassam should make sure these are done correctly in 1503. JimV/Bassam moves to accept 2414 as amended. PASSED (unanimous) * MEC & Legal Review for P1800_D6 Chas reviewed and thinks the changes are fine. Sent on to rest of committee. Any issues please let Chas know. * Item 0742 Discussed if param assign should be in a scope or explicitly list the possible places on the LHS of the diagram on page 8. Jim/Chuck. PASSED (unanimous) Jim to delete previous version and add frame file. * Item 2447 Added enum nets to various places. Michael/Abi. PASSED (unanimous) Jim moves that we waive the requirement that we need to wait an additional meeting to pass something. Michael seconds. Abi abstains because it is a dangerous precedent. ACCEPTED. * Item 2449 Jim moves that we table it till next time. Abi seconds. ACCEPTED. Motion to adjourn: JimV/Abi. Meeting ended at 1:30pm. 8. Reviewed items with proposals 9. Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only) 10. Old Business 11. Action items Assigned to Due date Description ChasDawson Tue, 29 Jul 2008 Enter Mantis Items for Krzysztof Konopko's questions edit JimVellenga Tue, 29 Jul 2008 JimV? to provide feedback to the editor on the vpiAutomatics addition to vpi_user.h edit JohnShields Tue, 29 Jul 2008 Seek additional clarifications from JEITA on Item 1835 edit AbiMoorhouse Fri, 29 Aug 2008 Create a proposal to solve issues with Assertion properties as pointed out by Shalom. edit JohnShields Fri, 29 Aug 2008 Remove old versions of proposals from Mantis Item 2226 edit JohnShields Fri, 29 Aug 2008 Make sure the proposal for Mantis Item 2226 is relative to draft 6 edit FrancoiseMartinolle Fri, 29 Aug 2008 Gather opinions on Item 2099 from Doug, Ralph, and Amit edit ChasDawson Fri, 29 Aug 2008 Ask Editor how the list of SV-CC contributors is generated edit JimVellenga Fri, 29 Aug 2008 Delete previous version and add frame file to Item 0742 12. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals) 13. Next meeting The next SV-CC meeting will be on 07/30/2008. The next P1800 meeting will be on 08/14/2008. -- Charles Dawson Senior Engineering Manager NC-Verilog Team Cadence Design Systems, Inc. 270 Billerica Road Chelmsford, MA 01824 (978) 262 - 6273 chas@cadence.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel Israel (74) Limited This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.Received on Mon Aug 4 19:25:44 2008
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