Unapproved minutes of SV-XC committee meeting : Oct 31, 2007

Unapproved minutes of the SV-XC Committee Meeting
Date:    Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007
Time:    08:00am - 10:00 am PST

Attendees
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ppp--p-pppp--pppp-p  Somdipta Roy (TI)
ppppppppppppppppppp  Logie Ramachandran (Synopsys)
---p--p-pp-ppp-pppp  Ulli Holtmann (Synopsys)
-------p-pp-pp-pppp  Tapan Halder (Synopsys)
-p-p-pp---pp--ppppp  Bob Shur (Cadence)
--------------pp--p  Rob Slater (Freescale)
pp-pppp---ppppppppp  Arnab Saha (Mentor)
pppp-pp-pp-pppp-p-p  John Shields (Mentor)
p-p-p-pp---pppppppp  Amit Kohli (Cadence)
pp-ppppppppppp-pppp  Kathy McKinley(Cadence)
-----------------pp  Scott Cranston(Cadence)
--------p-p-ppp-p-p  Kevin Camaron(Sonics)
------------------p  Michael Williams (Cadence)
------------------p  Sudip Chakrabarti (Synopsys)
-----------------p-  John Stickley (Mentor)
--pppp-ppp--p-pppp-  NS Subramanian (Cadence)
---------p------p--  Geoffrey Coram (Analog Devices)
pp-pp--p-p---ppp---  Nitin Khurana  (Cadence)
-p-p-pp-p-pppppp---  Micheal Rohleder (Freescale)
------------p-pp---  Don Ticarich(Sonics)
------------p------  Thanapoom Lertpanyavit(Intel)
--p-pppp-----------  Rudra Mukherjee (Mentor)
------pp-----------  Hassan Shahab (Intel)
--pppp-------------  Gaurav Kumar Verma (Mentor)
-p-----------------  Jonathan David (Scintera)



Agenda
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+ Review IEEE patent policy
http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

(Vote) John moves it has been read. 
       Kathy seconds. 
       No objections. No abstains. Motion passes

+ Minutes of the previous meeting

(Vote) John moves that we approve
       kathy seconds
       No objections. No abstains. Motion passes

+ SV-XC participation

 - Committee discussed the lack of momentum and felt the
   need to escalate to the Working Group. Based on the
   current momentum, there is serious concern if the
   group will be able to come up with additions to 
   the standard. 

 - Kathy raised a concern that the SV-XC material should
   not be tied to SystemVerilog standard. She feels
   that the SV standard may not be the right vehicle. 
   John mentioned that a new PAR would be necessary if 
   a new vehicle is desired.   

 - Somdipta proposed that improving customer partipcation
   would help. It was not clear how this can be accomplished. 
   John mentioned that customers are waiting for technical
   material that they can review. 

 - Committee discussed proposals to change the frequency
   of the meeting. These discussions were inconclusive.
   Meeting will continue on a two-week schedule, but 
   can be cancelled if no technical material is available. 
   Kathy mentioned that Cadence does not intend to participate in 
   the committee  meetings if no technical material is available.  
   
+ Review and approve "Opaque type requirements"
   
   Committee reviewed the proposal.  

   Use cases for opaque types. 
   1. Passing a class object from the testbench to dut through
      a port boundary.       
   2  Passing a specific object from language A to language A or C, 
      through language B.
   3. Passing SV interfaces to other  languages. Sandwich use case. 

   Committee reviewed the opaque proposal. Committee agrees
   with the proposal of providing opaque types in all langauges. 
   However opaque types are not a  requirement as part of the first
   specification produced by sv-xc. 

   (A/I John) will modify the proposal to incorporate:
              (a) interface use case
              (b) making it a non requirement for the first cut binding
                  proposal. 

   Logie will propose an email vote when the final draft is 
   available. 

+  Adjournment motion
John moves that we adjourn, Kathy seconds


+ Pending Action Items (from previous meetings)

(A/I Kathy) will come up with requirements for object kind compatibility
      (wires/variables/signals)  requirements.
     
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+ Additional information:

1. Committee website: http://www.eda-twiki.org/sv-xc
2. Survey for users : http://www.eda-twiki.org/sv-xc/otherdocs/survey1.0.txt
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