Re: [sv-ac] Re: 1932 LTL.1932.20071114.pdf some errata.

From: Johan Martensson <johan.martensson_at_.....>
Date: Wed Nov 28 2007 - 05:54:35 PST
Hi Doron,

I think the sentence "Once considered a property, s, strong(s) and
weak(s) are evaluated to true or false. The multiplicity of the
matches/potential matches beyond whether there exists one, does not
effect the evaluation." might just exhaust the power of comprehension of
the intended audience.

I rewrote my suggested replacement to better reflect the informal
semantic explanation in the paragraph above this. Also I don't think we need
to give a separate explanation for the property sequence_expr since
that is defaulting to either strong(sequence_expr) or
weak(sequence_expr) as the case may be.



REPLACE
 Since only one match is needed, properties of the form sequence_expr,
 (weak(sequence_expr)), and (strong(sequence_expr)) are evaluated to
 true if and only if the properties first_match(sequence_expr),
 (weak(first_match(sequence_expr))) and
 (strong(first_match(sequence_expr))) are evaluated to true
 respectively.  As soon as a match of sequence_expr is determined, the
 evaluation of the property is considered to be true, and no other
WITH
 Since for strong(sequence_expr) only one match is needed, properties of
 this form are evaluated to true if and only if the corresponding
 properties of the form (strong(first_match(sequence_expr))) are
 evaluated to true respectively.  As soon as a match of sequence_expr is
 determined, the evaluation of the property is considered to be true,
 and no other matches are required for that evaluation attempt.

 Similarly properties of the form weak(sequence_expr) are evaluated to
 true if and only if the corresponding properties of the form
 (weak(first_match(sequence_expr))) are evaluated to true
 respectively.  The reason is that a finite prefix of a trace vitnesses
 a non-match of a sequence_expr if and only if it vitnesses a non-match
 of the first_match of that sequence_expr.
 

Best Regards,

Johan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:03:00PM +0200, Bustan, Doron wrote:
> 
> I wrote the following paragraph, 
> 
> "Given a simulation run w, a sequence s may have multiple matches over
> prefixes of w. Furthermore, even if there is no prefix of w that
> matches s, it could be that every prefix has the potential to match s
> in the future in multiple ways. Once considered a property, s,
> strong(s) and weak(s) are evaluated to true or false. The multiplicity
> of the matches/potential matches beyond whether there exists one, does
> not effect the evaluation. Therefore, properties of the form
> sequence_expr, (weak(sequence_expr)), and (strong(sequence_expr)) are
> evaluated to true if and only if the properties
> first_match(sequence_expr), (weak(first_match(sequence_expr))) and
> (strong(first_match(sequence_expr))) are evaluated to true
> respectively."
> 
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Doron
> 
> 
> >>-----Original Message----- From: owner-sv-ac@server.eda.org
> >>[mailto:owner-sv-ac@server.eda.org] On Behalf Of Eduard Cerny Sent:
> >>Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:46 PM To:
> >>john.havlicek@freescale.com; Eduard.Cerny@synopsys.com Cc:
> >>johan.martensson@jasper-da.com; sv-ac@server.eda.org; Bustan, Doron
> >>Subject: Re: [sv-ac] Re: 1932 LTL.1932.20071114.pdf some errata.
> >>
> >>Yes that makes sense, but the way it was written have the impression
> >>that fail of first match is different.
> >>
> >>Ed
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: John Havlicek
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> >>doron.bustan@intel.com <doron.bustan@intel.com> Sent: Wed Nov 21
> >>05:16:44 2007 Subject: Re: [sv-ac] Re: 1932 LTL.1932.20071114.pdf
> >>some errata.
> >>
> >>Hi Ed:
> >>
> >>I interpret this to be saying that if a finite trace has enough
> >>information to demonstrate that no match of R is possible, then that
> >>same trace has enough information to demonstrate that no match of
> >>first_match(R) is possible.
> >>
> >>J.H.
> >>
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> >>> Hello Johan,
> >>>
> >>> You wrote " It is also the case that a finite prefix of a trace
> >>contradicts a
> >>>  sequence_expr if and only if it contradicts the first_match of
> >>>  that sequence_expr." But what is the difference between
> >>>  "contradicting the
> >>first_match or that sequence expression" and   contradicting any
> >>match of the sequence_expression"? Since there is no first mathc
> >>there is no match at all.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, ed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > -----Original Message----- From: owner-sv-ac@eda.org
> >>> > [mailto:owner-sv-ac@eda.org] On Behalf Of Johan Martensson Sent:
> >>> > Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:20 AM To: sv-ac@eda.org; Bustan,
> >>> > Doron Subject: [sv-ac] Re: 1932 LTL.1932.20071114.pdf some
> >>> > errata.
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi Doron,
> >>> >
> >>> > some problems I found in LTL.1932.20071114.pdf
> >>> >
> >>> > 16.12. (The paragraph beginning with: "The result of property
> >>> > evaluation is either true or false.") ======
> >>> >
> >>> > There are lots of problems with this paragraph.
> >>> >
> >>> > 1) There are now boolean operators for implication and
> >>> > equivalence ('implies' and 'iff') which should perhaps be
> >>> > mentioned together with negation, disjunction and conjunction.
> >>> > 1) I think there should be dots, not hyphen between 'if' and
> >>> > 'else'.  2) There should be a comma between 'strong' and
> >>> > 'accept_on'.  3) 'and' between 'until' and 'eventually' should
> >>> > have different font from that of the operators.  4)
> >>> > 'implication' and 'followed_by' are not operators and should
> >>> > maybe have different font from that of the operators 'weak',
> >>> > 'strong' etc.  5) Maybe the strong variants of next, until,
> >>> > always and eventually, and the _with variants of until and
> >>> > s_until should also be listed.
> >>> >
> >>> > 1, 4 and 5 above point to a related set of problems with this
> >>> > paragraph: Should we list all the different operators here or
> >>> > should we use the grouping provieded by the various following
> >>> > subsections 16.12.2-16.12.16. It seems there is no uniform
> >>> > principle of reference chosen in this paragraph.
> >>> >
> >>> > Table 16.25 ===========
> >>> >
> >>> > The operators 'throughout', 'within', 'intersect', 'and' 'or',
> >>> > 'implies' and 'iff' are written with a initial capital letter.
> >>> >
> >>> > The operators 'implies' and 'iff' are rendered with different
> >>> > font from the others..
> >>> >
> >>> > 16.12.1 Sequence property ========================= (The
> >>> > paragraph beginning with "Since only one match is needed,
> >>> > properties ...")
> >>> >
> >>> > This paragraph is a little strange. The discription seems to
> >>> > apply to strong embedding of sequences. For weak embedding not
> >>> > even one match of the sequence is required.
> >>> >
> >>> > If we decide to keep this section maybe it should be split in
> >>> > two giving different explanations for the weak and strong case
> >>> > respectively.
> >>> >
> >>> > REPLACE Since only one match is needed, properties of the form
> >>> > sequence_expr, (weak(sequence_expr)), and
> >>> > (strong(sequence_expr)) are evaluated to true if and only if the
> >>> > properties first_match(sequence_expr),
> >>> > (weak(first_match(sequence_expr))) and
> >>> > (strong(first_match(sequence_expr))) are evaluated to true
> >>> > respectively.  As soon as a match of sequence_expr is
> >>> > determined, the evaluation of the property is considered to be
> >>> > true, and no other WITH Since for strong(sequence_expr) only one
> >>> > match is needed, properties of this form are evaluated to true
> >>> > if and only if the corresponding properties of the form
> >>> > (strong(first_match(sequence_expr))) are evaluated to true
> >>> > respectively.  As soon as a match of sequence_expr is
> >>> > determined, the evaluation of the property is considered to be
> >>> > true, and no other matches are required for that evaluation
> >>> > attempt.
> >>> >
> >>> >  It is also the case that a finite prefix of a trace contradicts
> >>> >  a sequence_expr if and only if it contradicts the first_match
> >>> >  of that sequence_expr. Hence properties of the form
> >>> >  weak(sequence_expr) are evaluated to true if and only if the
> >>> >  corresponding properties of the form
> >>> >  (weak(first_match(sequence_expr))) are evaluated to true
> >>> >  respectively.
> >>> >
> >>> > 16.12.1-16.12.16 ================
> >>> >
> >>> > The headings of these sequences don't seem to be uniformly
> >>> > capitalized, for example 16.2.10 has initial capital in "Next
> >>> > property" but 16.2.11 has "always property".
> >>> >
> >>> > These headings seem to serve the purpose of naming different
> >>> > operator groups. For example an until property has one of the
> >>> > operators until, until_with, s_until or s_until_with as its top
> >>> > level operator. Maybe we should define explicit corresponding
> >>> > operator groups for use for examples in the section under 16.12
> >>> > discussed above.
> >>> >
> >>> > This review was only partial, for this time :-(.
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> >
> >>> > Johan M
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:38:31AM +0100, Johan Martensson
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > > Hi Doron,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > some further errors I found in LTL.1932.20071030.pdf
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 16.12. (The paragraph beginning with: The result of
> >>> > property evaluation
> >>> > > is either true or false.)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > REPLACE (dot after always, should be comma, no comman after
> >>> > followed by,
> >>> > > and between accept_on and reject_on should not be bold.)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The result of property evaluation is either true or false.
> >>> > Properties
> >>> > > may be built from other properties or sequences using
> >>> > > instantiation, boolean operators (negation, disjunction,
> >>> > > conjunction, if...else, implication, followed_by weak, strong
> >>> > > and iff) and temporal
> >>> > operators
> >>> > > (next, always. until, eventually, accept_on and reject_on)
> >>> > described in
> >>> > > the following subclauses.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WITH The result of property evaluation is either true or
> >>> > > false.
> >>> > Properties
> >>> > > may be built from other properties or sequences using
> >>> > > instantiation, boolean operators (negation, disjunction,
> >>> > > conjunction, if...else, implication, followed_by, weak, strong
> >>> > > and iff) and
> >>> > temporal operators
> >>> > > (next, always, until, eventually, accept_on and reject_on)
> >>> > described in
> >>> > > the following subclauses.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 16.12.9 followed_by property
> >>> > >
> >>> > > REPLACE (I don't think proceed is the right word here) The
> >>> > > followed_by construct specifies that the checking of a
> >>> > property is
> >>> > > required to proceed a match of a sequential antecedent WITH
> >>> > > The followed_by construct specifies that the checking of a
> >>> > property is
> >>> > > required to be preceded by a match of a sequential antecedent
> >>> > >
> >>> > > REPLACE (followed => followed_by, "at the end point of the
> >>> > > match" => "the end point of this match") Two forms of
> >>> > > followed_by are provided: overlapped using
> >>> > operator #-# and
> >>> > > nonoverlapped using operator #=#. For overlapped followed,
> >>> > there shall
> >>> > > be a match for the antecedent sequence_expr, where at the
> >>> > end point of
> >>> > > the match is the start point of the evaluation of the
> >>> > > consequent property_expr. For nonoverlapped followed_by, the
> >>> > > start point of the evaluation of the consequent property_expr
> >>> > > is the clock
> >>> > tick after the
> >>> > > end point of the match.  WITH Two forms of followed_by are
> >>> > > provided: overlapped using
> >>> > operator #-# and
> >>> > > nonoverlapped using operator #=#. For overlapped
> >>> > followed_by, there shall
> >>> > > be a match for the antecedent sequence_expr, where the end
> >>> > > point of this match is the start point of the evaluation of
> >>> > > the consequent property_expr. For nonoverlapped followed_by,
> >>> > > the start point of the evaluation of the consequent
> >>> > > property_expr is the clock
> >>> > tick after the
> >>> > > end point of the match.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > REPLACE (remove ##1 in two places) The followed_by operators
> >>> > > are the duals of the implication
> >>> > operators.
> >>> > > Therefore, sequence_expr #-# property_expr is equivalent to
> >>> > the following:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > not sequence_expr ##1 1 |-> not property_expr
> >>> > >
> >>> > > and sequence_expr #=# property_expr is equivalent to the
> >>> > > following:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > not sequence_expr ##1 1 |=> not property_expr WITH The
> >>> > > followed_by operators are the duals of the implication
> >>> > operators.
> >>> > > Therefore, sequence_expr #-# property_expr is equivalent to
> >>> > the following:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > not sequence_expr |-> not property_expr
> >>> > >
> >>> > > and sequence_expr #=# property_expr is equivalent to the
> >>> > > following:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > not sequence_expr |=> not property_expr
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 16.12.10
> >>> > >
> >>> > > REPLACE (expression => const_expression, constants =>
> >>> > const_expression,
> >>> > > constant_expression => const_expression) Weak next property
> >>> > > evaluates to true if property_expr holds
> >>> > at the next
> >>> > > clock tick or if there are no further clock ticks. To
> >>> > require the clock
> >>> > > tick to occur, use the strong form s_next property_expr. Weak
> >>> > > next property with expression evaluates to true if
> >>> > > property_expr
> >>> > holds in the
> >>> > > specified of future clock ticks indicated by the constants,
> >>> > or if there
> >>> > > are not enough clock ticks for the property to complete the
> >>> > evaluation.
> >>> > > To require the necessary clock ticks to occur use the
> >>> > strong form s_next
> >>> > > [constant_expression] property_expr.  WITH Weak next property
> >>> > > evaluates to true if property_expr holds
> >>> > at the next
> >>> > > clock tick or if there are no further clock ticks. To
> >>> > require the clock
> >>> > > tick to occur, use the strong form s_next property_expr. Weak
> >>> > > next property with const_expression evaluates to true if
> >>> > property_expr holds in the
> >>> > > specified of future clock ticks indicated by the
> >>> > const_expression, or if there
> >>> > > are not enough clock ticks for the property to complete the
> >>> > evaluation.
> >>> > > To require the necessary clock ticks to occur use the
> >>> > strong form s_next
> >>> > > [const_expression] property_expr.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I just read to this poin this time. Hopefully I get some
> >>> > time to read
> >>> > > the rest.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Best Regards,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Johan
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
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