IEEE P1735 Working Group Meeting of February 24, 2014

Meeting Info

Conference Information

Participants

  • Attending
    • Dave Graubart, Synopsys DR (Chair)
    • Michael Smith, Synopsys DRA
    • Jeff Fox, Altera DR
    • Dave Clemans, Synopsys DRA
    • Ray Martin, Xilinx DR
    • Ruchi Tyagi, Cadence DRA
    • John Shields, Mentor DR
    • Gael Paul, PLDA
    • Joe Daniels, P1735 Technical Editor
    • Satyam Jani, Aldec DR
    • Steven Dovich, P1076 liaison
  • Not Attending
    • Jonathan Goldberg, IEEE Professional Services
    • Sourabh Tandon, Synopsys
    • Joe Hupcey, Jasper
    • Nitin Khurana, Cadence DR
    • Krista Gluchoski, IEEE Professional Services
    • Dmitry Melnick, Aldec DRA
    • Stan Krolikoski, Cadence (DASC Chair)
    • Devin Sundaram, Altera DRA
    • Parminder Gill, Synopsys DRA
    • Premduth Vidyanandan, Xilinx
    • David Pena, Cadence
    • Bin Dai, Xilinx

Agenda

  1. Determine Quorum
  2. Patent slides
  3. Approve agenda
  4. Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
  5. Introduce any guests
  6. Action Item Review
  7. Liaison Reports
  8. MEC and ballot pool status
  9. Schedule
  10. General Status
  11. Front matter
  12. Interoperability
  13. Key Management
  14. Rights Management
  15. License Management and Reference Implementation
  16. Visibility
  17. Common Rights
  18. Annxes
  19. Work Plan
  20. Other Business
  21. Adjourn

Minutes

Attendance/Quorum

We have 6/6 eligible entities, and do have a working quorum.

Patent Policy

The Patent slides were offered for review.

No new claims were disclosed at the call for essential patent claims.

Agenda Approval

Motion to approve agenda made by xx, seconded xx. Motion is approved.

Previous Minutes

John moved and Michael seconded the approval of the February 3, 2014 minutes. The motion was approved.

Guests

Gael Paul attended as an expert guest, introduced himself, and expressed a desire to participate or contribute to the extent possible. His involvement will be limited due to the entity-based nature of P1735. The options are a) short interaction with sharing appropriate approved material with the understanding that there would be valuable feedback, b) find a way to have an individual to be an entity, or c) get an appointment as a liason. John made a motion that we share a draft with Gael Paul with the expectation that he review it and give us feedback in a reasonable period of time. Jeff seconded. Joe asked if it would be more appropriate to wait for a rev beyond draft 4. The motion was approved.

Dave G will follow-up with Joe Hupcey from Jasper on a future meeting for him to attend again. Dave will notify the working group in advance so others who may want to interact with Joe can be present.

Action Item Review

No updates today.

Liaison Reports

No updates today.

MEC and Ballot Pool Status

The January 23rd Draft 4 was submitted for a MEC review on January 30. We received the MEC report on February 10 with minor comments.

The ballot pool invitations were initiated on Janary 30. The ballot pool closes on March 2. Cadence, Mentor, Synopsys, and Accellera are signed up so far. Dave G will email recommendations on how and when to join the ballot pool. Dave will ask Dennis and Stan on ways to reach out to other potential balot pool members. Dave will also troll through invited entities to see if he can identify others that may be interested.

We reviewed questions that Joe had previously asked regarding the preliminary draft:

  • Marking content as version 1 vs. version 2 is not complete in draft 4. It will need to be complete in draft 5.

  • Need examples and strategies. We are OK for draft 4 but more for ballot.
  • Description of identifiers in the rights managment clause will be more formal in draft 5.
  • Question if bibliography needs to include ISO/IEC 8859-1. Yes, this is needed in draft 5.
  • Steve asked if there is any issue with additional normative references after the MEC review. The specific concern is about cross-references to POSIX and machine attributes such as the MAC address. This was done in draft 4 but we still need cross-references in the license management clause to these references for draft 5.

Schedule

Dave G presented a current schedule.

Item Duration Start End
MEC review & ballot formation 30 1/30/2014 3/1/2014
Finish Draft 5 preparation 14 3/1/2014 3/15/2014
Draft 5 PDF creation 7 3/15/2014 3/22/2014
Ballot 45 3/22/2014 5/6/2014
Review comments/rework 30 5/6/2014 6/5/2014
Recirculation ballot 30 6/5/2014 7/5/2014
Submit for revcom 45 7/5/2014 8/19/2014
Revcom opportunities
8/20/2014 Best target
12/9/2014 Backup

Assumptions:

1. Joe has 2014 IEEE professional services contract in place. This is done covering Draft 4 and 5 work. An additional contract needs to be in place for recirculation ballot work. IEEE Professional Services sent out invoices.

2. Typography standards are clear and match 1076. Steve has these specified in recent front matter updates. 1076 LRM is available on 1735 private Twiki.

General Status

We want to gather any remaining feedback by the end of this week, Febraury 28, so that there is sufficient time to follow-up on any open questions and begin getting draft 5 input to Joe on March 3. John circulated draft 4 internally at Mentor. Dave G is doing the same at Synopsys. Dave contacted Ruchi, cc Stan, at Cadence get their active participation.

General feedback so far ranges from surgical update requests to structure. Also not all WG entities have submitted reviews. Xilinx and Mentor have posted marked-up versions. Michael from Synopsys has also commented. Jeff/Altera will review this week. Steve has work in progress for clause 8 to post this week. Cadence will post comments this week. No comments expected from Aldec.

John discussed Mentor's overall feedback: 197 comments including saying two clauses, 4 and 6, were hard to understand. Some comments refered to editing. He sees lots of work to close on this. The schedule is looking too aggressive given the number and scope of issues. Joe and John both suggest less emphasis on schedule and more on getting the right material to ballot.

Ray received feedback on lack of clarity of what was required. We must at least insure that interoperability is accomplished. John mentioned rights, for example, were missing formal syntax. Having examples only are not enough and normative text is required. Our pragmas go beyond pragmas used elsewhere. "Blocks" are not defined well and this could interfere with successful interoperability if not resolved or clarified.

We will try to size up all feedback and remaining work next week and likely revise schedule. Dave asked all authors to review feedback and come to meeting next week with schedule estimates.

Front Matter Status

No discussion this week.

Key Management Status

No discussion this week.

Rights Management Status

No discussion this week.

License Management Status

No discussion this week.

Visibility Status

John walked through a detailed assessment and recommendations on DPI as emailed to the reflector. He will send recommendations on VPI and CLI in the next day or two.

Common Rights Status

No discussion this week.

Annex Status

No discussion this week.

Work Plan

High-level objectives:
  • Go to ballot with draft 5 - revisit next week.
  • Get on agenda for August revcom ratification - revisit next week.
Project Plan:
  • Draft 5
    • Incorporate MEC review comments
    • Collect pre-ballot feedback from other DASC working groups
    • Incorporate refinements and syntax examples

Other Business

Dave G to update web site including fixing some file permissions.

Next Meeting

The next P1735 meeting is scheduled for March 3, 2014 at 16:00UTC.

Tentative Agenda

  1. Determine Quorum
  2. Patent slides
  3. Approve agenda
  4. Approval of Previous Meeting minutes
  5. Introduce any guests
  6. Action Item Review
  7. Liaison Reports
  8. MEC and ballot pool status
  9. Schedule
  10. General Status
  11. Front matter
  12. Interoperability
  13. Key Management
  14. Rights Management
  15. License Management and Reference Implementation
  16. Visibility
  17. Common Rights
  18. Annxes
  19. Work Plan
  20. Other Business
  21. Adjourn

Adjournment

Motion by John, second by Ray. Approved by acclamation at 17:28 UTC

Approval

These minutes are approved.

-- DaveGraubart - 2014-02-23

Topic revision: r4 - 2014-03-03 - 16:06:11 - DaveGraubart
 
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